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Post by billyclaire on May 30, 2014 14:15:33 GMT
In fitting mine at the L shape, it took roughly two minutes tops to attach it. I used a Glue Stick around the outside edge of the cone and simply pressed the felt along it in the middle. Then placed it in the well.
I guess the bottom line is, it doesn't matter how you do it as long as it does its job!
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Post by Michael Messer on May 30, 2014 14:40:51 GMT
I have been in literally hundreds of vintage Nationals and I believe the felt under-cone gaskets, the top-of-cone Triplate gaskets, and coverplate gaskets, all to have been factory fitted. There are too many similarities in the materials and the way they were fitted for it to be a coincidence.
Shine On Michael
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Post by wolvoboy on May 30, 2014 14:42:06 GMT
when i recently put felt in my MM Blues i actually measured and cut it slightly bigger then the cone in one piece when i put it in the well it for some reason it was too big and had to cut it,i didnt use glue just rested the cone on top,i tried to put it up the sides but it would not lie flat it wrinkled up,so i imagine you would have to glut it in around the sides to make it fit properly,personally i dont think you need to go up the sides,as long as it goes to the out sides of the well it should be fine.just thinking if the vibration of the cone pushed the felt up the sides over a period of time,would it not leave a wider impression in the felt rather than just one small narrow one we can normally see.maybe felt made from wool might move around more the the synthetic felt which to me is firmer and does not stretch as much as much as wool,my own opinion of course could be wrong though,felt from a snooker table might be thinner, dont they use a cold iron of some sort to flatten it out. wolvoboy
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Post by bluesdude on May 30, 2014 15:12:25 GMT
I have been in literally hundreds of vintage Nationals and I believe the felt under-cone gaskets, the top-of-cone Triplate gaskets, and coverplate gaskets, all to have been factory fitted. There are too many similarities in the materials and the way they were fitted for it to be a coincidence. Shine On Michael I'm with Michael here,I've only been in a couple dozen instruments and only a few with gaskets but they all looked like same material,I'll bet it was a factory thing,,,
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Post by bluesdude on May 30, 2014 15:18:56 GMT
Hi again ! As has been stated in the past, by "real" experts (ie. luthiers who have seen inside literally hundreds or thousands of vintage Nationals), no one knows for sure if these felt gaskets were factory fitted or not. /quote] Who are these real experts!!!!!!!! the same ones who swap out vintage cones for hot rods and change neck angles to NRP standards and install truss rods!! LOL funny these are the same people who scrap out the old gasket, please tell us what's been stated??
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Post by triconehead on May 31, 2014 12:14:13 GMT
I have been in literally hundreds of vintage Nationals and I believe the felt under-cone gaskets, the top-of-cone Triplate gaskets, and coverplate gaskets, all to have been factory fitted. There are too many similarities in the materials and the way they were fitted for it to be a coincidence. Shine On Michael Hi Michael, you mention " top - of -cone Triplate gaskets". How is that working vs under the cones? all best
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Post by Michael Messer on May 31, 2014 12:51:26 GMT
Hi Triconehead,
I have seen a few with these fitted and I am convinced they were done at the factory.
It is just a little disc of felt that sits in each of the T bridge's 3 ends. I thought they over-did the sweetening and killed the tone, so I removed them.
Shine On Michael
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Post by robbie on May 31, 2014 13:43:33 GMT
well ! the discussion continues...I picked up some snooker table felt this morning and as mentioned in this article removed the cone and drew around the edge onto the felt .....measured the width of the ledge at the base of the well, then proceeded to draw a slightly larger diameter circle than the cone diameter....cut it all out no probs....spread some glue stick adhesive along the well ledge and stuck the gasket down ensuring there was a slight roll up the wall of the well and like wolvoboy there was too much length and I had to cut some off . the upshot of it is that the national definitely does sound sweeter BUT not massively so. I guess I need to wait a month or so for everything to bed in and then we will see, sorry I mean hear the difference
regards
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Post by triconehead on May 31, 2014 15:57:27 GMT
Thanks Michael!
The reason for my question is that I have a problem with the second(B)string,a resonant, metallic tone,not so much with the string open, but fretting or sliding a note brings it out.With just the flesh of my fingers, I can dampen it a bit, but still not pretty... I have tried to dampen it at the tailpiece with a bit of cloth,no big difference(besides some loss of sustain). I don´t know if it´s coming from the cones,the tailpiece,the nut or the saddle. The slottings seem ok and the tp sits ok, maybe it´s due to the nut that is a bit higher than standard?
Cheers:)
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Post by Michael Messer on May 31, 2014 16:13:57 GMT
Hi Triconehead,
I doubt f the high nut is causing the problem. This is really only a guess, but I would look at the way the T bridge is seated on the cones. Loosen the strings off a few tones and using a very small circular movement, move the T bridge around and then retune up to pitch. See if that helps. These are things that I can do by feel, but are really hard to explain. Even that may not be enough to really seat the T bridge onto the cones, but it's worth a try.
Shine On Michael
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Post by triconehead on May 31, 2014 17:21:42 GMT
Thanks, I will do so. cheers
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Post by polly on Jun 22, 2014 13:53:48 GMT
G'day, I'm new here. It was suggested by Wolvoboy that these photos may be of some interest in this discussion. They show the original Green felt gasket in a 1933 Triolian. I hope this helps. Goodonya.
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Post by bluesdude on Jun 24, 2014 1:34:45 GMT
Yeah thanks for posting these,,, this gasket defiantly goes up the side as well, I'll have to try this!!!
Kenny,
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Post by snakehips on Jun 24, 2014 6:51:22 GMT
Hi there,
The felt gasket in my 1933/4 rolled F-Hole Polychrome Triolian looked just like that - and up the sides too.
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Post by ganoche on Nov 11, 2017 17:25:59 GMT
Thanks, I will do so. cheers Hi, i'm new on this forum, and i just bought a 1930 National Tricone. It seems to have exactly the same problem, with a buzzing sound on the second string. Did you try this advice, and did it work?? With the instrument maker of the shop, we tried to figure it out... When we looked undertneath the coverplate, there was a cardboard gasket, but some parts were missing... could it be the reason of this buzz?? THanks in advance to anyone that can help! Cheers, Nicolas
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