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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 2, 2023 8:03:08 GMT
Hi bleu,
The hollow neck instrument is plugged in, that is not an unamplified sound.
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Michael
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Post by rbleu on Apr 2, 2023 17:52:06 GMT
... May be this one is unplugged
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... if for this one it is the case I will replace the other one 
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 2, 2023 19:11:50 GMT
This one is definitely not plugged in, but don't remove the other one, it is all of interest to others reading this thread.
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Michael
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Post by rbleu on Apr 5, 2023 15:50:41 GMT
Hello Michael, One more question please :
… Is the back of your mohan veena is made for its body (back & side) of indian mahogany wood (tun) and its back & side is made of indian mahogany wood with heat-bent process… or its whole body is carved from a solid wooden block of the same Indian Wood, with a massive solid full neck not hollow please ?
… and ![]() do you have additional photos of the back & side ? Regards |
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 5, 2023 16:05:47 GMT
The back and sides are mahogany, the top I think might be pine. It was not carved from one piece of wood. This is a fantastic sounding instrument that has all the qualities a Mohan veena should have. You can see the crack in the back. It was repaired and is strong, but the repair is not invisible.    Shine On Michael    |
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Post by rbleu on Apr 5, 2023 16:34:00 GMT
... It's very interesting, but the sides do not seem the complete result of a heat-bent process regarding its carving... are you sure that they do not come from a carved block (so, in this case you will be the happy owner of a rare blended-style) ?... |
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 5, 2023 16:44:31 GMT
... It's very interesting, but the sides do not seem the complete result of a heat-bent process regarding its carving... are you sure that they do not come from a carved block (so, in this case you will be the happy owner of a rare blended-style) ?... I am not sure, but I will ask Manish because he ordered it for me from Bhabasindhu Biswas. Manish knew Bhabasindhu well and is very particular about how the instruments he orders are made. Also, Bhabasindhu wanted to make me a beautiful instrument, so you might be right about the sides. Shine On Michael |
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Post by rbleu on Apr 5, 2023 17:03:32 GMT
... the answer will be interesting  |
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Post by rbleu on Apr 11, 2023 18:30:06 GMT
Hello !
I continue my sound explorations...
I come to carefully scrutinize a Mohan Veena whose body and neck are hollow, and dug manually... Which gives a heavier instrument with a substantial thickness of the back and sides (around a centimeter thick, on which is glued a normal soundboard with its strictly original bracing), a bit like an imitation (in the idea) of National tricone in metal with its hollow neck, but in solid wood... according to certain experts and unconditional the sound would be much deeper and richer in bass (for an identical tuning and range)… they say… I already have my opinion, but it's up to you to judge openly (your opinions in this case are more than welcome):
Example 1 =>
Then, I decide to explore the other dogmatic side exploited by other experts... This is the well-known option in the "strictly" American historical "squareneck" slide guitar spirit (including in India) in local woods... It's a real guitar... I have here 2 examples to show you, and here again your opinion and your preferences interest me at the highest level:
Example 2.1 =>
Example 2.2 =>
Each has its own interest. I await your impressions and comments with the greatest curiosity from the point of view above all: precision, clarity, definition, the investment of the sound space, the beauty and strength of the musical evocation if one can say... |
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 11, 2023 20:43:53 GMT
Bleu, you were right about the sides of my Mohan veena, they are carved by hand, not pressed.
Manish said the new ones are not ringing so well. The sympathetic strings are ringing and singing, but the main playing strings are not and sound a bit woody. Hmmmm....
I will listen to the instruments you have posted above
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Michael
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 11, 2023 20:53:07 GMT
Posting a video of Manish is really not necessary, I know Manish’s playing and instruments intimately. We have toured together since 2013 and he spends time at my home playing every day. So I know what his instrument sounds like.
I think the hollow neck instrument sounds dull and I am not sure about extra bass for playing Indian music. So my opinion is not changed, but getting a good instrument might be a challenge in itself.
By the way, square neck National tricones do not have hollow necks. That is a myth. My Fine Resophonic maple square neck tricone has a bit of hollowness, but still not like a Weissenborn has.
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Post by rbleu on Apr 12, 2023 13:44:43 GMT
Bleu, you were right about the sides of my Mohan veena, they are carved by hand, not pressed. ... Which would mean that the solid neck would be integral (forming a block) with the side edges of the body (forming a frame... basically a bit like on a banjo) on which the 2 sides (top and back) are adjusted and glued : 1) the soundboard with its bracing, and... 2) the back that would resonate with the soundboard... ... Which would explain (as in your post, Manish said : "said the new ones are not ringing so well") - because of this neck+side solidarity - (and same construction) the particularly interesting clarity and resonance of Manish's instrument and yours which were built in a different way from those of today...
... that's why I put his videos |
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Post by rbleu on Apr 12, 2023 14:32:33 GMT
I think the hollow neck instrument sounds dull and I am not sure about extra bass for playing Indian music. So my opinion is not changed, but getting a good instrument might be a challenge in itself.
... as can be seen on the video the resulting thicknesses after the carving of the solid wood block of the body and the sides possibly prevent them from vibrating and therefore a priori from ringing freely, and the soundboard cannot - however whatever its initial quality - supplement it alone, which would explain the noticeable difference in the sound of these new products… |
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 12, 2023 19:31:28 GMT
Hmmm... interesting theory that I will discuss with Manish.
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Post by rbleu on Apr 12, 2023 21:23:11 GMT
... It's just an hypothesis...
But, it would be interesting to verify really factually with great attention...  In advance Thank you very much |
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