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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 18:14:29 GMT
Hi Tommo, I have heard from my friend who knows about these instruments and he does not speak very highly of Tronad Mohan Veenas. He said the acoustic tone is not good, but they sound okay plugged in. So much so, that they now come with pickups fitted as standard. In India, Tronads are a third of the price of Concords, which makes them very cheaply produced. This thread is quite topical for me because I recently ordered a Concord Mohan Veena for myself. Shine On Michael As this topic has risen back to the surface is their any chance of a clip of your Concord playing please and also a bit more information about the instrument? Thanks Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 22:04:10 GMT
I agree ... I have played both Tronad and Concord Mohanveenas. The Jawari and sympathetic string response and resonance of the Tronad guitars is not as good as Concord guitars. Tronad and other manufacturers do not use well seasoned wood for the body and high quality rosewood for fret boards and bridge. It is okay for learning if you are a student but not for playing professionally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 10:48:04 GMT
Hi Zadeindia, I have only played a Chaturangui once, but I totally understand what you are saying about the differences between the two instruments. Are there any Youtube clips of you playing either of these instruments? Shine On Michael Dear Michael my Guruji Shri Rhitom Sarkar plays the Chaturangui Veena, I am sending a youtube link : |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 10:56:59 GMT
Hi Zadeindia, I have only played a Chaturangui once, but I totally understand what you are saying about the differences between the two instruments. Are there any Youtube clips of you playing either of these instruments? Shine On Michael Dear Michael my Guruji Shri Rhitom Sarkar plays the Chaturangui Veena, I am sending a youtube link : |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 10:57:58 GMT
Another very rare type of Hindustani Slide Guitar is the 'Hansa Veena' co-created by Barun Kumar Pal and Pandit Ravi Shankar.  I am also including a Mohan Veena recording by Salil Bhatt son of Pandit Viswa Mohan Bhatt. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 9:17:07 GMT
I am heading to Kolkata next week for The Slide Guitar Festival,anyone here going.
I have tried to contact Concord As I would like to purchase a Concord Mohan Veena but have not had much luck, hoping someone may point me in a direction .
,Kolkata is a long way from OZ so I wish to make the most of my stay there.
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Post by ken1953clark on Jan 1, 2015 9:31:02 GMT
Maybe slightly off topic... No connection, just like his stuff "There will be a new Harry Manx CD out in Feb called 20 Strings and The Truth. Harry’s fans have been asking for a CD that is mostly Veena and mostly instrumental for many years, and that time has arrived! It will featuring the Mohan Veena (a 20 string Indian slide guitar) and an adventurous collection of Blues meets Indian Classical pieces which highlight the use of the Veena and other slide guitars. Here is a sample to tease your tastebuds: soundcloud.com/sixmediamarketing/harry-manx-veenarama |
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Post by pete1951 on Jan 1, 2015 12:26:17 GMT
I have just converted a `normal `guitar` into a `sitar` guitar, as it happens, and am having trouble with the pick-up. It has ( at the moment) no sympathetic strings and is based on a cheap steel string. I was hoping to use a magnetic pick-up, but this fails to amplify the sitar part on the note enough. Do the cheap ("sound 0k plugged in") Tonads use a piezo?? PT Have now fitted sympathetics, Still wondering what pick-us to use.....  The short sympathetic strings don`t ring out very well, more work needed I think PT |
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Post by rbleu on Mar 13, 2023 15:15:15 GMT
Hello All ! ... Hope that you are feeling fine !
I have a question: I should like purchase an indian slide guitar... ... But I am hesitating... Which one purchase : Chaturangui or Mohan Veena ?
What are your points of view concerning the specific qualities and best utisation for each of one please ?
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 13, 2023 18:27:24 GMT
Hello bleu,
That is a big question because both are different. It is like asking if you should learn to play guitar or banjo.
Before discussing this which I am happy to do, I have a question for you - Do you already play Indian classical music and if not, are you going to learn. Or, do you just want one because they are beautiful?
Shine On
Michael
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Post by rbleu on Mar 14, 2023 16:18:38 GMT
... Currently and from many years ago I play indian music with a "Rudra Weiss" I had modified ![]() in C11th... It's why I ask the question... Regards |
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 14, 2023 17:11:07 GMT
... Currently and from many years ago I play indian music with a "Rudra Weiss" I had modified ![]() in C11th... It's why I ask the question... Regards The Rudra Weiss looks amazing! I wasn't trying to be clever or flippant, but these days many Western people get Mohan veenas and Chaturanguis just because they look so cool. From what I can see of the way your instrument is set up, you should probably get a Mohan veena because it looks similar. I play Indian music on mine, but I also play that style of music on my square neck Tricone, which also resonates in sympathy with some of the notes being played. While I know Debashish Bhattacharya and his Chaturangui, I have now spent many years travelling and playing music with Manish Pingle, a Mohan veena player, and I have my own instrument. Something I have noticed about the Chaturangui is that it does not resonate and sing the sympathetic notes as well as the Mv, maybe it is a little over-built or something. So my preference is for Mohan veena. Here are a couple of pics of my instrument.   Shine On Michael   |
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Post by rbleu on Mar 14, 2023 19:15:56 GMT
![]() Thank you Michael for your answer, which will allow me to develop my questioning...
Your Mohan Veena is very "indian classy" !...
I also think "a priori" that it is a Mohan Veena, whose sounds clearer and more precisely, that I need .... ... Although the Chaturangui comparing with the Mohan Veena is (are together) tuned in D (almost a Vestapol), I prefer the use of Harry Manx comparing with Brozman’s... Consequently (concerning your acquired experience) I have 3 questions to propose to you... Among these: 1) However, I don't understand why - in most cases - only 7 strings and their machine heads are only used out of the 8 (of the headstock) for a DAd or CGc, or etc. It would be easily possible in the mind of "SA Pa sa" to add "ma" (by extending the high nut outwards) and/or to use a high treble 4th string as a drone (as on the Rudra veena by which would give for example : DAdf#/CGce, or even GDGg+8) obviously corresponding to good tarafs..... 2) In addition, the direct amplification that exists on the saddle/bridge does not also seem to enhance the Jawari sound, that is very limiting... 3) As pick-up, the manufacturer offers only solution with a "Fishmann system", but does not seem to have explored the K&K solution which also has a good reputation... Many thanks in advance for your precious answers. |
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 14, 2023 20:45:54 GMT
>>It is my pleasure to discuss this wonderful instrument with you.
I also think "a priori" that it is a Mohan Veena, whose sounds clearer and more precisely, that I need ....
>>I just find they sound better than Chaturangui, which I believe may be a little over-built with decorations. Debashish would of course disagree, but that is his instrument and his design.
... Although the Chaturangui comparing with the Mohan Veena is (are together) tuned in D (almost a Vestapol), I prefer the use of Harry Manx comparing with Brozman’s...
>>Harry is a soulful musician, whereas Bob, who at one time I knew well, or thought I did, treated playing music like sport.
Consequently (concerning your acquired experience) I have 3 questions to propose to you...
Among these:
1) However, I don't understand why - in most cases - only 7 strings and their machine heads are only used out of the 8 (of the headstock) for a DAd or CGc, or etc.
It would be easily possible in the mind of "SA Pa sa" to add "ma" (by extending the high nut outwards) and/or to use a high treble 4th string as a drone (as on the Rudra veena by which would give for example : DAdf#/CGce, or even GDGg+8) obviously corresponding to good tarafs.....
>>Adding a ma string is of course possible, but I don't think I can recall any players that use more than 3 melody strings. That combination of Sa Pa Sa seems to work and if feels very natural to me. It is a useful spare tuner! I think that comes from Vishwa Mohan Bhatt, but as far as I am aware, Brij Bhushan Kabra used four melody strings on his converted arch top guitar. Having said that I have seen Manish playing my six string guitars many times and he uses all six strings, as do I when I play on a guitar. I have also seen Debashish playing six string guitars.
2) In addition, the direct amplification that exists on the saddle/bridge does not also seem to enhance the Jawari sound, that is very limiting...
>>I think you have to get a good instrument. Not all Mohan veenas have that amazing resonance that is so important in Indian music. I have played some that are dull sounding.
3) As pick-up, the manufacturer offers only solution with a "Fishmann system", but does not seem to have explored the K&K solution which also has a good reputation...
>>My personal preference on all acoustic guitars is to use a microphone. I have done numerous concerts with Manish using a microphone on his instrument. However, I know that Manish now uses a little contact mic and a mixer. We haven't toured together since 2019 because of Covid restrictions, but I will ask him what he uses and let you know. We are touring again this summer.
I hope that is helpful.
Please ask any questions you may have, because if I can't answer them, I know a man that can :-)
Shine On
Michael
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Post by rbleu on Mar 15, 2023 14:01:51 GMT
Thank You very much Michael  ...
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