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Jun 13, 2020 23:26:15 GMT
Post by snakehips on Jun 13, 2020 23:26:15 GMT
Hi there ! Spot the new one ! Attachments:
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Jun 14, 2020 5:50:45 GMT
Post by leeophonic on Jun 14, 2020 5:50:45 GMT
The one in the middle is different from the other two, it is brighter and the spacing in the diagram below the word trade is slightly different. But what do I know.
Lee
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Jun 19, 2020 4:32:42 GMT
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Post by hawgwash on Jun 19, 2020 4:32:42 GMT
Speaking of decals I’ve never been able to find any replacements for a couple vintage Nationals I have that don’t have any decal at all . I guess any original partial decal should be left as is - but I have a nice old polychrome that could use one . Back in the eighties these guys came in our shop and photographed some up close headstock shots of old Martin Gibson and Fenders and came back with some excellent decals . Finally I think they got a cease and desist order . They were perfect . Doesn’t seem to be any vintage type National decals around and the NRP versions are larger I believe . Don’t think they offer them anyway .
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Jun 19, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
Post by gaucho on Jun 19, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
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Jun 19, 2020 15:57:57 GMT
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Post by snakehips on Jun 19, 2020 15:57:57 GMT
Yes,
That’s the guy I got my new decal from.
When you see the decal on the backing paper, the gold looks similar to NRP’s decals. However, once you slide the wetted decal off the backing paper, and onto the guitar itself, it looks MUCH better.
They look too new and perfect perhaps, but with time, may get knocked around and scratched and look even more the part.
Very pleased with my purchase.
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Jun 19, 2020 20:42:48 GMT
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Post by hawgwash on Jun 19, 2020 20:42:48 GMT
Ahh yup THANKS - it’s been awhile since I googled that -seems like there should be some around . If there was even a strong shadow of a decal I don’t think I’d do it .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 23:53:27 GMT
The decals should be sealed-in with lacquer. Some amber tint or even amber nail polish will add some vintage patina...
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Post by snakehips on Jun 20, 2020 9:53:21 GMT
Hi Fred,
I haven't done anything to the decal other than wet it on.
I don't know how to add lacquer without it looking too thick and obvious, or without getting it past the decal itself and make the headstock look like it has "overspray". It does look pretty good as it is.
Vintage decals are thicker - the gold actually looks painted on like a thicker layer. Maybe a layer of lacquer, just over the decal itself would make it appear thicker too ?
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Post by bonzo on Jun 20, 2020 11:10:52 GMT
Hi Snakey, use the stromboli (whatever it's called) that we use to polish our guitars with. Couple of light sprays will seal it in, soften the new look and protect it. It will also blend with the headstock finish. Did mine no problem.
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by snakehips on Jun 20, 2020 14:47:15 GMT
Ah, OK !!! Thanks for that tip !
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Jun 20, 2020 15:50:11 GMT
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 20, 2020 15:50:11 GMT
It is of course none of my business and no-one has to answer, or you can tell me to **** off, but why oh why does anybody want to deface a vintage guitar with a fake decal?
It is not fooling anyone, but it is affecting the originality of rare and beautiful antiques.
When I was a consultant for Christie's Auctioneers, they would have had the people that do this type of thing sent to the Tower.
Shine On Michael
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Post by bonzo on Jun 20, 2020 16:44:10 GMT
It's not a fake decal Michael, at least in the circumstances we're posting about. My 14 fret Duolian was as you know a wreck when I found it. Once I got it playing ok I did think long and hard about leaving it in its found condition, house paint and all. Part of its history. But as it was so complete apart from its truly dreadful paint finish I decided to restore it to its original condition as near as I could without altering any of the original parts. Nut was ok, tuners oiled up ok, lemon oil on fretboard ok,biscuit and bridge in really bad beat up condition. I refinished the biscuit finding its PAF under all the grunge and there was enough left of the bridge for me to level it off and cut new notches. Using Mark's book as inspiration I repainted in a gold Duco style finish. I now had a completely original Duolian except for the paint finish. It was missing its decal so using Mark's book again I made one appropriate for the model and year which I thought finished off the guitar perfectly. None of this was done to 'fake' the appearance. In my mind I had restored a neglected and abused guitar (still part of its history) to something that was an attractive but above all playable musical instrument. Glad its previous owner didn't throw it in a skip, which most civilians would have done! There!
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 20, 2020 16:52:29 GMT
John, I was really talking about the photo at the top of this thread. Restoring a guitar like your Duolian is a whole different thing. See, I said I could be told to **** off! As I said it is none of my business, but seeing this worries me and 50 years from now it will be a darn nuisance to collectors and historians. Shine On Michael
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 20, 2020 17:01:10 GMT
Restoring a vintage guitar with a non original finish is a whole different thing completely. It is then absoutely part of its history. Whether it is Bonzo's Duolian, Bukka White's Duolian, or my blue fiddle edge Dobro, they are not trying to be exactly like the originals.
Shine On Michael
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Post by davey on Jun 20, 2020 17:04:55 GMT
I've always thought that Guitars should have a "log book". I have an old Gibson where I know it's entire life history from 1937. I'm compiling a book to keep with the Guitar which will include it's history and any repairs I've had carried out.
It's actually a dramatic and interesting story. I'll provide a link to it when it's complete.
I also have a complete history with my Style 0 which is great but with a bit less drama.
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