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Post by izzydunne on Apr 16, 2015 16:58:17 GMT
Simonf:
Talk is cheap, and so is sour grapes. I see a lot of technical criticism from folks who may not be able to do any better. That is why I asked the critics to show us how it is done, so that we call all learn or benefit.
I also see criticism form people who never been a professional musician and never will. They have no idea what it takes to hold a stage, and get the crowd up and on their feet.
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Post by slide496 on Apr 16, 2015 17:45:22 GMT
Izzydunne,
People are entitled to their opinions and if you are going to start asking some of the excellent musicians that come to this site to IMHO demean themselves by putting themselves in comparison with with a performer who does not work in their genre to humor you, well then izzydunne by the same token IMHO as you appear to want to be an authority and lay the law down on knowing how its done - I wonder why you don't post your stuff.
Humor me.
Harriet
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 18:01:53 GMT
She can pat herself on the back for getting people riled up. Never a bad thing when you're a performer.
To put this in perspective, who do you prefer: Ariana Grande or Samantha Fish?
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Post by izzydunne on Apr 16, 2015 18:19:26 GMT
Harriet:
I am not being critical of anyone. You are mistaken. I am saying that plenty of people are criticizing Samantha Fish on this forum, and talk is cheap. If they are proficient enough to criticize, then why not have them show their licks so we can see where Samantha is so deficient.
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Post by izzydunne on Apr 16, 2015 18:23:35 GMT
MickeyZ:
" To put this in perspective, which do you prefer Samantha Fish or Ariana Grande?"
Exactly and to the point.
Of course, most on this forum would answer "Neither, because we live in a time warp and only have eyes for Fred McDowell."
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Post by slide496 on Apr 16, 2015 19:19:22 GMT
Harriet: I am not being critical of anyone. You are mistaken. I am saying that plenty of people are criticizing Samantha Fish on this forum, and talk is cheap. If they are proficient enough to criticize, then why not have them show their licks so we can see where Samantha is so deficient. Izzydunne, Talk is cheap. If you are proficient enough to criticize, then why not show your licks so I can see where Fred McDowell is so deficient. Harriet
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Post by lavinci on Apr 16, 2015 19:28:19 GMT
One doesn't have to be a player to be a critic or have an appreciation of the blues.
Staying in the same genre, I would compare Fish to Chubby. It is clear to me who is the more accomplished player.
I have no problem with a working musician either.
Time will tell who is a blues pop artist and who truly contributed to the genre.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 19:29:22 GMT
I see Izzydunne's point, but I think the thing-fish may not be the best example to demonstrate it. There's loads of great acts out there, but some get noticed when they perhaps shouldn't ought to. This week, my mate was the support act to Laurence Jones - another 'rising star' kid. I asked him how it went and if he was any good. He said "he's getting there, he was alright". The truth is, my mate is way better. TT
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Post by izzydunne on Apr 16, 2015 21:23:00 GMT
Harriet:
You are being redundant, and apparently reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I never said Fred McDowell is deficient.
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Post by lexluthier on Apr 16, 2015 21:32:39 GMT
Other products are available.
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Post by blueshome on Apr 16, 2015 21:33:08 GMT
I don't understand why I need to be a better player than someone to criticise them, I can still tell good from mediocre or bad. Maybe we should have a shoot out with a few of us and izzy to see who is qualified to comment. There are hundreds of better performers out there than Fish with far greater feel for the music. She's promoted because she is female, young and good looking, if people like what she does, that is fine. I can assure izzy that simonf is a much better player than Fish from the evidence I have.
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Post by slide496 on Apr 16, 2015 22:05:08 GMT
If you listen to Samantha Fish play Shake em on down, you get the same feeling that you get from the the old boys from back in the day. She tears it up, and she actually sounds better than RL or Fred McDowell on that particular song.. That's from another thread, and again, talk is cheap. If you are proficient enough to criticize, then why not show your licks. I hope you will address this request!
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Post by izzydunne on Apr 16, 2015 23:52:26 GMT
A few of you have very hard heads and just continue to repeat yourselves. Harriet, goes to the head of the class. My saying that Samantha Fish sounds better than Fred McDowell and RL Burnside ON ONE PARTICULAR SONG is not criticism. It is choice and preference. I am not dissing tone, intonation, rhythm or any of the other comments people have made when they are actually criticizing Samantha's playing. I am beginning to think that English is your second language or that you have a serious problem with evaluation and understanding. In any case, I suggest you step off.
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Post by slide496 on Apr 17, 2015 0:22:42 GMT
Ha!!!! You edited out your response to my request, which I did read, my only regret is I didn't grab it but we both know what that was.
I will leave it at that and to you to have the last word on the issue.
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Post by lavinci on Apr 17, 2015 1:30:46 GMT
There are hundreds of better performers out there than Fish with far greater feel for the music. She's promoted because she is female, young and good looking, if people like what she does, that is fine. I can assure izzy that simonf is a much better player than Fish from the evidence I have. +1 I agree, she is a product of a marketing machine - packaged eye candy. Her promoters are very good at showcasing her alongside better and more well known players . The halo effect is a common approach when marketing a new artist. She must be good because she is playing alongside so and so. Some of you have even taken this bait hook line and sinker. To each there own. I say. But some people on this forum think she is the reincarnation of Fred McDowell. No even better. Ha ha ha. LOL Ludicrous! These are just empty words.... Fred is one of the greatest of all time.
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