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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 9:49:10 GMT
I think you've had your answer - cos its not needed. TT
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Post by naymi on Oct 7, 2014 11:11:19 GMT
Ok, then let me flip the question. Why is it needed in electric guitars?
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Post by slide496 on Oct 7, 2014 11:24:25 GMT
My idea of perfect pitch-Napolian Strickland singing and playing in the key of Napolian Strickland ... frets may be optional.
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Post by pete1951 on Oct 7, 2014 12:17:36 GMT
Even electric guitars have problems, The super-light strings of the last 30 years mean that many Tune-o-Matic bridges do not have enough compensation (mostly when using a plain G, but the low E can be out too)
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I`m keeping out of the `old resos don`t play in tune` debate, as my very limited knowledge does not match the moderators
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Post by tark on Oct 17, 2014 1:21:20 GMT
Hi, very interesting thread. I'll take the opportunity to ask something I have always wondered. By reading your posts, I think it's something obvious for all of you, but I've always had the doubt. Resonators aside, why don't acoustic guitars use the same system as electric guitars? I mean, it seems like a good thing to be able to adjust each string individually. Why not take advantage of the same system in acoustic guitars? Regards. The construction of the typical flat top acoustic guitar makes it difficult to build in a adjustable saddle for each string. The compromise that is usually adopted is to site the saddle a few mm further away from the nut than the design scale length and to place the saddle at a slight angle to approximate the compensation required by the 'typical' set of strings. However it is totally incorrect to say that acoustic guitars do not suffer from exactly the same intonation problems that electric guitars do, its just that it is a bit easier to provide the necessary adjustments on a electric bridge. You should note that Leo Fender figured he could get away with a simple compensation system on his first solid body electric (3 saddle Tele) and his first electric bass (only 2 adjustable saddles on the early P bass). Neither really turned out to be good enough. 3 saddle Tele players today either live with the inaccuracy or use various modifications of the original 3 saddle bridge. There have been attempts to add fully adjustable bridges to acoustic guitars - Gibson tried a Tune-O-Matic on one of their acoustics. Acoustic archtop jazz guitar bridges often either have fixed but individual compensation for each string or a fully adjustable bridge. Other attempts to improve the intonation on acoustic guitars include - offset nuts, split saddles, saddles with offsets and wavy frets. Of course if you side with those who are of the opinion that intonation is not a problem on an acoustic guitar and that individual string compensation is unnecessary then the proponents of all these systems are just deluded and / or pushing snake oil.
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Post by davey on Oct 17, 2014 9:08:13 GMT
GIbson made acoustic Guitars with adjustable bridges in the 1960's and 70's. Unfortunately they didn't sound very good, and the idea was generally dropped by guitar makers.
As it happens this was when Gibson was making some pretty dire Guitars with bracing so heavy (double X) they sounded terrible anyway.
I don't agree with Tark when he says there are only two possibilities i.e. right or wrong.
I'd say that IF you are bothered by perfect intonation, then you could either get a luthier to make you a perfectly intoned bridge which is entirely possible, or play a different instrument like an electronic keyboard.
It is also said in Luthier circles that intonation can only be "corrected" for a specific set of strings, i.e. gauge and composition.
Whatever you do, don't take up the banjo, which is never in tune. Question "How long does it take to tune a Banjo ?" Answer " Nobody knows "
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Post by Stevie on Oct 17, 2014 9:24:30 GMT
You know the Wolf might have said "When you got da blues, you don't gonna care about intonation"
e&oe
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