Help with open E please

[jono1uk]

Hi Guys 


I need some help with the chord fingers for verse and pre- chorus please.. 

that bits i want start at 53 seconds and end at 1 min 30
i have the first bit at 50 secs with the little finger slide ..but really struggling on the rest.




Cheers 

Jon 

[Deleted]

Isn't he in standard (E) tuning?
TT

[jono1uk]

Apr 22, 2019 20:17:03 GMT @deuce said:

Isn't he in standard (E) tuning?
TT

nope as far as i am aware he always plays , E-B-E-G♯-B-E. that finger slide a 50 secs wouldnt fit in with the video if that E string( 3rd string down) was standard D.

[creolian]

Hi Jono,

My first guess just looking at his finger position would be that hes in standard tuning as well. You got me curious and Im going to try and see If I can work out the changes. Another vid of DTSD playing " keep on rolling" ...he really lets loose on this one. Although it starts a bit shakey the camera quality gets much better and the audio surprisingly good for a telephone recording.




I Tried to find him playing something in standard tuning... just from the looks of it, he's playing a lot of chord variants and partials on keep on rolling that I learned when I was a young wes montgomery wanna be.   I play almost everything in standard tuning and am rarely playing slide on the six string anymore so I am probably biased.


I found this piece which I believe hes playing in standard tuning... and without a slide. Another one to figure out aurally. Thanks for the question... Im curious as well. DT is a monster.😎

[jono1uk]

wow ..am really surprised if he is in standard ..remember in open E the highest 2 strings are standard ..and if u look at the lick at 50 secs where he slides the pinkt from 7th to 9th fret ..on the 3rd string down ..if that was in D instead of E as i suspect ..it wouldn't work.

[jono1uk]

Michael ..any thoughts on this please?

[Deleted]

I was guessing about being in standard tuning as it sounded like it. I actually know little about DT or his tunings, so I'm not much help.
In hindsight, if he plays almost exclusively in open E, then I guess the tunes above are probably open E.
His playing / changes are rather too quick for me to easily analyse, and the vid quality isn't too helpful.
TT

[Michael Messer]

Apr 23, 2019 11:27:29 GMT jono1uk said:

Michael ..any thoughts on this please?

Hi Jono, I am away today and can’t cope watching it on my phone. I will look tomorrow and sort it out for you.

Shine On
Michael

[creolian]

regardless of what hes fretting, its impossible to tell exactly what he's doing with his picking hand a lot of the time. Its an interesting style that is very similar to the flailing with abandon appearance Ive seen a lot with older cats who play on pure instinct. Although his music is the last thing Id consider primitive, that flail Reminds me of many "primitive" blues playing styles.

Ive spent way too much time on the job trying to learn by watching fingers. So far, I cant come close to making what im hearing there in standard tuning.
( maybe Ill get some sleep now ;-)

if I was in London this weekend Id be tempted to go hang out at the Palladium during sound chek and try to ask him. At least leave a message asking him to join the forum ;-)

[pete1951]

Getting backstage was easy 30years ago, but a challenge today. Will see what I can do!
PT

[creolian]

Apr 23, 2019 13:31:22 GMT pete1951 said:

Getting backstage was easy 30years ago, but a challenge today. Will see what I can do!
PT

From what Ive seen its that few seconds from the bus to the stage entrance that is the best shot for those who dont know somebody who knows somebody...  Ive seen clint black do meet and greets with a couple thousand people standing in the door of his bus after a show.  Many others run in and out leaving a room full of lonely groupies wondering what that after show pass was really all about... Somehow I get the impression that DT is one of the humble and appreciative givers...Good Luck ! Enjoy, Im envious.  j

i suggest passing him a message at the backstage door.  Ask him to join the forum and Relieve our perplexions...😳

[Michael Messer]

Hi Jono

Sorry I couldn't respond sooner, but I was away with no WiFi and needed a bit of screentime downtime.

I have only had a quick look while cooking some food this evening, but this is how it appears to me....

In the video you asked about, Derek is playing in open E tuning. The chord shapes and pairs of notes are kind of classic open tuning patterns. The chord shapes I think of as coming from the Rolling Stones Keith Richards and Mick Taylor, although the shapes almost certainly have their roots in Southern Rock from the 60s. I have also seen Barry Gibb using these shapes. The pairs of notes, like in the first few bars after the rhythm pattern, are straight harmony pairs on strings one and three. I think of these as being Ry Cooderish, but they're not, they're just classic open tuning patterns.

If you want the chord progression to that one, watch Mrs Trucks, you can clearly see all the chords.

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The Dexter Gordon tune "Cheesecake" that Derek is playing, does look tom me like he is playing it in standard, but to be sure I would need to study it a bit closer.

I would like to see them this week as I haven't seen Derek play since he first came over here with his band, or Sue since we were in Belgium thirteen years ago. I need to be away from loud music and crowded rooms for a while, so it'll have to be another time.

Shine On
Michael.

[jono1uk]

thanks Michael ..is Sue in Standard tuning as her chords look different to his ..and if so sites you can send me for open e shapes?

[lonelyjelly]

Hi Jono, Open E shapes are the same as open D shapes, or any Vestapol tuning, as in the I - IV - V chord shapes are all the same positionally. So for eg, the IV chord in open D is G (string/frets: 020100) and therefore in open E the IV chord will be the same position (020100) but you’ll actually be playing an A chord coz of the shift in key due to tuning up. So as long as you know your basic go to chords in open D, you should be ok for open E...just remember every chord is up a tone name-wise. Sometimes it’s useful to just think of chords in terms of their position numbers within the key, and not the actual chord names, that way as long as you know the shapes you’ll be ok...especially with Blues and Roots stuff where there aren’t normally many deviations from the “normal chords”. I recommend having a look at Ernie Hawkins’ DVDs on the CAGED system if you’re interested in exploring this kind of thing.

Hope that makes sense :-)

Lew

[jono1uk]

Thanks Lew .. will look into that a bit more.