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Post by Bill Stig on Jun 9, 2007 15:10:31 GMT
There's no accounting for taste - I love it!! When I saw my first reso, in my early teens, it had palm trees on it and I dreamed that I'd someday own one. The problem is, even if I had the money, I'd be too scared to take the Beauchamp guitar out of the house ( or out of its case for that matter). I have a problem with guitars becoming collectable - I have a couple that, when I bought them, you couldn't give them away, but are now worth a considerable amount. I love them and could never see myself selling them - but they are there to be played!! I don't want to have to think twice before I have a re fret or change the machine heads or it gets knocked or scratched. I think this guitar would be best in a museum - you can't trust a musician to look after it. Bill
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 9, 2007 20:47:06 GMT
Harry is and was always in a diiferent class! He was also a little aggressive - I have heard a few stories of Harry & black eyes. I believe he and George once had a punch-up.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Bob Brozman on Jul 11, 2007 16:36:30 GMT
Most of what has been said here is accurate. I just want to add that I owned it from 1988-2001. I was a pretty good guitar, but I have played thousands of Nationals, and this one did not stand out.
The Harry was a wonderful guitar when first discovered in mint condition, when I saw it just a few years later, it had degraded considerably, really a shame.
I have known Mr. Messer for years. He and I have had strongly differing opinions on the care of the Harry, but that is old news. Other than that, I think we share an equal love of the Nationals.
I have also known Mark Makin for decades and it was he and I who spent years working on and finally cracking the serial number colde for all of us to see.
For some reason, people here seem hesitant to mention my name here--is it something I said? I would like to participate more often here on this forum, as I am sure I possess a lot of useful information that would interest people here. But I have been a litle reluctant to do so, because of this slighly unwelcoming feeling.
So let me know, folks...should I keep my distance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2007 17:00:55 GMT
Hey Mr. Brozman, don't be a stranger! Speak of the devil, but I just mentioned your name not half an hour ago on another posting about the Bukka White "patting the baby'" string-slapping technique.
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Post by mirrormist on Jul 11, 2007 17:12:30 GMT
Hi I have only been around since dec 06 on this forum and in that time cannott recall reading much negativity regarding Bob B...on the contrary i am sure if you check out some of the back threads you will change your veiw. I for one would welcome you contributing... don't be a guset...join in best wishes anthony
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Post by steadyrollinman on Jul 11, 2007 17:18:42 GMT
Bob,
I think you should definitely take part in the forum, and as much as possible. If there are honest but differing points of view, that can only be a good thing for all of us.
Best wishes Bob.
Chris Frost
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Post by Bill Stig on Jul 11, 2007 18:04:06 GMT
Hi Bob, I think everyone on this forum would more than welcome you involvement. I think the apparent hesitancy to mention your name is meant in jest as to the fact that how much your name crops up on the forum - it's just that English humour. I, for one, have been greatly influenced by the many times I've seen you perform - it was seeing you that first made me aware of Hawaiian music and what could be done on the steel guitar. Cheers, Bill P.S. You can't imagine how hard it is for a scouser like me to give out compliments
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Post by Anders on Jul 11, 2007 21:37:20 GMT
I have known Mr. Messer for years. He and I have had strongly differing opinions on the care of the Harry, but that is old news. Other than that, I think we share an equal love of the Nationals. Since I haven't heard the old news and is curious, do you guys have different opinion about the care of old Nationals in general (if so, I really like to know), or is it just about the Harry? I (and a lot of other folks) read both this forum and the IGS forum, so I guess there isn't a general negative trend against you, mr. Brozman. Speaking for myself, I would love to see you post more here. And btw, Norway is also a part of Scandinavia. Just a tip for when you plan your next tour over here. I only managed to catch the last charango number last time you were here... ;D - Anders
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 11, 2007 22:40:29 GMT
Hello Bob,
It is good to hear from you! You are very welcome to post messages and become a member of this forum. We do share a love of National guitars, great food, travelling, good humour and many styles of music. So....onward and upward!
Regarding the Harry Tricone - I think we should agree to disagree, or we may not speak for another decade! I did play the Harry and enjoyed my time owning what must surely be one of the finest Tricones in existence. I don't think it detiorated as much as you believe it did. It is now ten years since I was the owner of the Harry Tricone. Water under the bridge Bob - I would very much like to hear from you and see you as an active member of this forum. As I am sure many of our members and visitors would to.
Keep in touch & as I have said - you are most welcome here.
Shine On, Michael.
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Post by Bob Brozman on Jul 12, 2007 0:33:15 GMT
Thanks, Michael, for your response. Yes, we must agree to disagree and let it go. It is only a guitar after all. Sadly, though, entropy is a one-way street. It was a hell of a guitar when you first got it, I do agree about that! So I will look in from time to time when I can and chime in appropriately. Thanks again, and stay away from tinkering on those tricone mandolins!
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Post by snakehips on Jul 12, 2007 7:57:35 GMT
Hi Uncle Bob !!
I'd agree that your name doesn't get mentioned here as much - but I've never reasoned why as such - I must say I haven't detected a negative vibe to you though - which is just as well - that wouldn't be cool.
My own perspective on reso fans is that more than not are Blues fans and don't always dig all the varied styles that you play. Add to that the feeling that most of us can feel inadequate sometimes after seeing you play (self-doubting nonesense !!).
Me personally, I'll take whatever influences light a spark in me - you have been one of those - (one of many though !). (that should be a compliment, in case it didn't sound like one !!)
On the Harry tricone thing - it intrigues me (lets take the story before it did or did not deteriorate !) - it being often said it is one of the finest tricones. Is is just more ornate but sounds like any other tricone ? Does it sound a cut above all other tricones ? If so, is that not just set-up, neck angle etc - and surely that could easily have shifted over time ? (just like most Nationals seem to do) Why is it better ? Different cones perhaps (some difference internally ?
Not everyone agrees with evrything everyone else says - that is what makes this world interesting. Mind you, that is also what causes wars !!!!!
Welcome to the forum Uncle Bob - don't be stranger - you are very welcome here.
Snakehips (also an IGS guitar forumite)
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Post by Bob Brozman on Jul 12, 2007 16:55:55 GMT
The harry tricone, when first discovered, was in mint condition, and sounded great--the only tricone that came close in sound to my trusty '28 style 1 which i used on every gig from 1968-2001. Just a particularly good sounding one, that's all.
With vintage tricones, when all the varied physical elements comprising the tricone sound are hitting on 10 out of 10, then you get a great one.
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Post by mirrormist on Jul 12, 2007 18:17:25 GMT
Hello Bob...while you are here...i thought i'd tap your knowledge bank ;D Was the national (tricone) a blues guitar or a guitar that some bluesmen adopted? best wishes anthony
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Post by Bob Brozman on Jul 13, 2007 5:32:35 GMT
I'm on tour so this must be short. Tricones were designed at first for Hwaiian players, the squareneck came first. Mr. Dopyera always told me that the roundneck was an afterthought, and not fully thought-out. Bearing in mind the pricing on old Nationals, tricones were expensive instruments aimed at professionals. Tampa Red was the first blues player to use a tricone, and thus one of the first to use any National, but remember that he was already a successful urban blues artist. $200 for a Martin D45, $195 for a style 4 tricone. $350 for a Ford car..........
all i can do right now! hope this clarifies...........
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Post by ted dorset on Jul 13, 2007 12:54:53 GMT
Most of what has been said here is accurate. I just want to add that I owned it from 1988-2001. I was a pretty good guitar, but I have played thousands of Nationals, and this one did not stand out. The Harry was a wonderful guitar when first discovered in mint condition, when I saw it just a few years later, it had degraded considerably, really a shame. I have known Mr. Messer for years. He and I have had strongly differing opinions on the care of the Harry, but that is old news. Other than that, I think we share an equal love of the Nationals. I have also known Mark Makin for decades and it was he and I who spent years working on and finally cracking the serial number colde for all of us to see. For some reason, people here seem hesitant to mention my name here--is it something I said? I would like to participate more often here on this forum, as I am sure I possess a lot of useful information that would interest people here. But I have been a litle reluctant to do so, because of this slighly unwelcoming feeling. So let me know, folks...should I keep my distance? Hi Bob, I too noticed a degree of hostility when your name was mentioned on a thread a while back. I was so dissapointed by this "who's the best" attitude that i rarely visit this forum. I have many favourite players and almost feel like you taught me to play having spent so long toiling over your videos. I now feel that i've learnt a solid ground of technique to develop my own style with. My only thoughts on this are that many players (be it in the slide world or rock or jazz world) tend to dismiss or criticise players who are so far up the ladder of technique that they know they'll struggle to keep up. It reminds me of the "steve vai is rubbish - give me clapton" arguments that i hear. Isn't music a subjective thing? best wishes to all ted - the oldest dorset slide player! :->
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