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Post by littlebobby on Jun 5, 2024 18:13:13 GMT
Curious why all tricones seem to have such wide nuts?
I have pretty short fingers and it kind of puts me off.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 5, 2024 18:33:47 GMT
Hi littlebobby,
Most of the Shanghai-built tricones have 48mm nuts. These dimensions came to China via Continental guitars, which in turn were copied from a square neck National.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by richclough on Jun 5, 2024 21:12:04 GMT
My fingers aren’t particularly long, but are rather thick so I find a wider neck (47-48mm) better as I find it less likely to accidentally mute ringing strings with my left hand.
I’ve found that the trick to getting around a wider neck is to adopt more of a classical guitar position with the left hand I.e. the guitar sits relatively high on the body with the left hand thumb in the middle of the back of the neck (or below).
Cheers,
Rich
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Post by littlebobby on Jun 7, 2024 8:58:27 GMT
Hi littlebobby, Most of the Shanghai-built tricones have 48mm nuts. These dimensions came to China via Continental guitars, which in turn were copied from a square neck National. Shine On Michael I should know this because I’ve got one but what’s the width on the blues 36? Because it’s a comfy as possible. |
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Post by littlebobby on Jun 7, 2024 9:48:11 GMT
My fingers aren’t particularly long, but are rather thick so I find a wider neck (47-48mm) better as I find it less likely to accidentally mute ringing strings with my left hand. I’ve found that the trick to getting around a wider neck is to adopt more of a classical guitar position with the left hand I.e. the guitar sits relatively high on the body with the left hand thumb in the middle of the back of the neck (or below). Cheers, Rich I watched a clip of Scott Ainslie and he had some good advice on the angle you set your guitar at for easier handling which is proving helpful. Also, this chap is comedy gold as well as informative. Very helpful when I first started digging into slide. ‘The secret Ry Cooder diagram.’ Brilliant. |
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 7, 2024 12:46:05 GMT
Hi littlebobby, Most of the Shanghai-built tricones have 48mm nuts. These dimensions came to China via Continental guitars, which in turn were copied from a square neck National. Shine On Michael I should know this because I’ve got one but what’s the width on the blues 36? Because it’s a comfy as possible. 46mm nut on all MM guitars. Shine On Michael |
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Post by littlebobby on Jun 7, 2024 15:19:42 GMT
Thanks man.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 7, 2024 20:00:38 GMT
This guy's facts are all over the place.
Sliding a harmonic from zero fret up the neck is not a Hawaiian technique. Palm harmonics are a Hawaiian technique and that is a whole other thing.
Picking on the neck side of the slide is not a Hawaiian technique. It is a National guitar "trick" that was popularised in the 80s and 90s by Bob Brozman.
There is a little more to one of the finest guitarists of our time than a few notes in D tuning.
When you teach and put stuff up online for the world to see, I believe it is important to get your facts right, otherwise the wrong information becomes fact.
I can't recall ever doing this before, but it is not right to teach in this way.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by vastopol on Jun 10, 2024 8:17:39 GMT
I feel the need of adding some precision. Picking on the neck side of the slide is a National guitar "trick" that was popularised in the 80s and 90s by a certain musician allready mentionned, but we can hear this brilliant effect on some old records, some Hawaïans, some Hill Billies... long before the eighties. It's difficult to talk about playing techniques on resonator guitars without stumbling across the name of this very heavy influencial musician, but its good to remember that most of the tricks he had popularised was discovered and used before him...
(Sometimes when I pack my stuff to get back home, ... at last ! Some folks tells me "Hey that's the same guitar as B.B"... the only thing I can say is "No sir; that is allmost the same as Oscar Aleman and Tampa Red used to play"...and I feel blessed if they don't ask "Who ?".....but it's also what I love in my job, spreading the names and help em to find the source).
The second clip is exactly what I don't like in sound maters, we can't judge a book by the cover but when I see some one choosing one of those radiused, slim, super low action neck, it tells me much of what we are going to hear. Fret buzzing on an instrument absolutely not made for slide... no left hand damping at all... the first cheap guitar we can find will do a better job. It's matter of taste but I wouldn't wear no stiletto heel shoes to climb on a mountain, or wear clogs to dance on the swan lake neither...
But I had to recognize comedy is the better part of the clip, but I can't watch more than few minutes.
I had a big old wide neck on a old Johnson, but they made slimer necks latter, sometimes with different profiles, from D to V over time. These entry level tricones doesn't always have big necks.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 10, 2024 10:48:30 GMT
Vastopol,
Just to clarify my comment... I did not say that he invented that trick, I said that he popularised it, which he did. It was more a vaudeville trick than a Hawaiian one. I am not sure I can recall a 1920s/30s Hawaiian recording?
Shine On
Michael
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Post by vastopol on Jun 11, 2024 8:52:53 GMT
Excuse me Michael, perhaps I was in a dark mood yesterday... (as you know In France the climate is very cloudy these days...).
Well too much work to do on the board, but I will find these records when I got some time...(I've bought too many CD's in a short time, from a collector, and I haven't classified them yet, just picking one to listen...it's too much info for my brain, too fussy to see this big amount of old records that I was too poor to buy when I was young, it feels like a huge christmas morning !)
Roy smeck come to mind, but I've heard some train song...Cliff Carlisle? perhaps...on some Old time or Hillbilly compilation... I've got to find this one. Who's doin' this in Hawaii, perhaps on some version of Moana Shimes? But who...( got few 78rpm too, ...not classified... my house is a mess !)
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Post by Michael Messer on Jun 11, 2024 10:43:10 GMT
It is not a problem. We all have bad days sometimes and in today's world it is hard not to be affected.
I would be interested to hear your examples of this technique being used. I can't recall Roy Smeck or any Hawaiian recordings that use it, but of course I may be mistaken, or having a "grey moment" with my old built-in hard drive.
Cliff Carlisle was a superb artist and by all accounts, a lovely person too.
We have find ways to rise above what is happening in our world, and listening to and playing music are wonderful ways to do that.
Shine On
Michael
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