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Post by bluesdude on May 30, 2024 15:43:01 GMT
Oh dear lord somebody talk me out of this sale please!!!!!!!!!!!!! www.ebay.com/itm/166765801114?itmmeta=01HZ52GKMWTQB48RFH98PJ5579&hash=item26d4042e9a:g:l~8AAOSwCy5mRh5B&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8GpSYYdFgVBVAcZ4ieCvrTXJCybP00AAXfTYDWjehH0uif3Z5eHg0pYu1Kf1zB1OjpaPnf%2BXMtvRhU%2F0cXroQCEkDNioyi2lzslKEidjtwfUbQdROIQ7PTI9WX5KBrIdoVGlikmfDb%2B05MqBoNn%2FYl4ODqEFENRhIKA21mXvkkCVPB1nkVN43Oy%2BBA%2B66Tv5iL5wcMUEV3hlO6ytV5IIJjay41kbzG4bN23Ltr%2FiqXRqhYpzyALYCIp02vpOX5ors%2B4hopZF1wEg3rhwuzB%2FnyYt31gjZ7e1zZc8FchYhc2kbjgguRaqlSgdkRdXORiHsA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8y6wqL5YwKenny,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by snakehips on May 30, 2024 18:30:29 GMT
Hi there!
The price seems very high to me. Yeah, these models are a bit rare but not rate enough for that money !
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Post by bluesdude on May 30, 2024 19:07:48 GMT
Hi there! The price seems very high to me. Yeah, these models are a bit rare but not rate enough for that money ! Yes ofcourse should be upwards of five USD maybe six Kenny
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B-Series
May 31, 2024 4:17:35 GMT
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Post by resotonic on May 31, 2024 4:17:35 GMT
I was led to believe the 1933 models were made with rolled 'f' holes, not flat cut as is this offering. I would question the vintage. Maybe it's older....
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Post by Mark Makin on May 31, 2024 8:07:56 GMT
To establish the date of this let me put a few facts down. The sharp f holes in a 12 fret body were changed to rounded f holes around June/July of 1933. The bodies of single cone guitars were shortened with the introduction of 14 fret access necks. This was around September of 1934. This 'B' series Duco Triolian is part of the rarest range of body finishes. We know there was a short run of these instruments from 01B up to (around) 146B . This range includes mandolins, ukuleles, tenor guitars and 6 string single cone guitars. To date (including this one, 56B) out of a total of forty re-discovered B series instruments, we have only recorded 15 guitars.
Now then, 56B, from the supplied pictures, has sharp f holes. From the data lists, the next known - 71B, 80B, 87B and 112B ALL have rounded f holes. So my guess would be that 56B was made at or close to June of 1933. All the earlier known B series guitars - 04B,09B,10B,11B,14B,16B,17B,21B,27B,39B, at this miniscule rate of production would have been made in the first half of 1933.
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Post by vastopol on May 31, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
Fascinating details, thanks a lot for this sharing.
The fact that this instrument was sold by Sears & Roebuck (see the cute label with the case key) makes me thinking about the muddy brown finish seen on some "Sears Duolian". But this color is rarely well preserved because as we know now, a meeting between National heads and Sears was registered,about cutting down down the number of painting layers on this special R series. This very thin finish is almost gone on most of the brown "Sears" models, with very small cristaline patern, but this color is very evocative of the B series.
The B series had large paterns, it might tell something about the way the spectacular Duco patterns appear during drying process. Commonly on various duco models, the most well preserved finishes seems to have thicker painting than small patterns, and thinner layer seem prone to be scrapped (in others series too).
Can we think about the same painting, used for Sears in B series and R series in the same period maybe, but with less layers on the R models?... (This might be a question to ask to Rick Besser ?)
Another intersting fact about Sears ADN, mine "R 126" had a Triolian body, because of the side bump, it's a thinner an lighter body with the square holes necessary to acomodate the "hooks on plate" cover. In this same period they stopped this clever idea to save screws and drilling time, and we can wonder if the special Sears coverplate with his five screws instead of nine wasn't sepcialy dedicated to recycle the remaining "hooks on" bodies (wich cannot be fitted with standard coverplate because of the square holes, too large to fit a screw, even if they allso tryed to fit some rare inverted coverplates, but with a loss of time necessary to drill nine new holes; that's where the Sears cover is a winner: only four holes had to be drilled, the center hole may allready been done on a "hooks on" body.
B series and R series looks like some crossing ideas, Mapple neck on Duolian body, and mahogany neck on triolian body (like mine, but seen in others combinations and colors too).
How cleverly they allways try new ideas to save and don't waste nothing it's stunning, but perhaps some choices had to be made just to juggling with whats allready made and the flow of demand. That may explain most of the unique instruments or variations and uncommon cases... that's why Nationals are so wonderfull.
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