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Post by snakehips on Mar 6, 2024 23:47:23 GMT
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Post by bluesdude on Mar 7, 2024 0:34:07 GMT
This guy says he brought it back to factory spec’s , yet it’s under strung!
I’ve seen another he worked on and there was a extra support under the neck stick near the neck joint!
Kenny,,,,
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Post by 1928triolian on Mar 7, 2024 23:25:08 GMT
The finish is not promising  Seriously, the guy does not seem to really understand National guitars. I've seen some of his restorations and they were not so good nor appealing. Understringing is just enough to have an idea about this very restoration. |
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Post by snakehips on Mar 8, 2024 15:27:22 GMT
Hi again !
This one, restored by someone else, took a totally different approach - new wooden neck but headstock veneered with the front of the bakelite neck headstock transplanted/veneered on.
Lovely idea BUT that would have involved a serious amount of drill/cutting through the original bakelite neck. I hope the guy that did that wore a hazmat suit with positive pressure filtered/purified air to protect himself from a serious amount of noxious, carcinogenic fumes created !!!
It sounds pretty good anyway.
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 8, 2024 19:21:44 GMT
I had a bakelite neck Triolian in the late 80s / early 90s. I used it for a few years with its banana neck and it was an amazing sounding instrument. I could only use it for certain songs that didn't require fretting past fret 2 or 3, but it didn't matter, it was such a beautiful sounding guitar. Then in 1993 I think it was, Steve Evans made a replica neck, but out of wood with a truss rod. It looked perfect, you couldn't tell it from the original black bakelite neck. But there was a problem, it had lost all of its magical tone. It was a nice Triolian, but it wasn't the same Triolian. I stopped using it and sold it shortly after that. It was not Steve's fault, he did a good job. It was just that wood wasn't as good as bakelite.
Jed in Poland likes working on bakelite necks and I think he has straightened a couple out. I would rather him than me because it is highly toxic material and very dangerous. I once fitted a strap button on a bakelite Rickenbacher, and holy shit you should have seen the thick brown acrid smoke that came from it when I drilled the hole. I couldn't believe it, one lungful of that and you'd be in serious trouble.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by mitchfit on Mar 8, 2024 22:05:54 GMT
i wonder if a suitable metal could be used for neck replacement. problem is there are so few of these still around as to preclude the trial and error R and D that would be required.
before dissing that thought, consider that the most amazing sounding banjo i've ever heard, or was lucky enough to play a little bit was a brass rimmed Deering belonging to a friend in Alaska.
will openly admit all of that weight beyond the body would be as handy as a twenty pound golf club.
mitchfit
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Post by bignatz on Mar 9, 2024 2:04:57 GMT
Early in my career in pissing away money on unsalvageable guitars, from which I seem to not be able to retire, I bought one of these. It was a complete disaster, but occurred when they were not worth all that much and the loss was bearable. I passed it on to somebody who did eventually replace the neck entirely with an NRP produced version, rendering the instrument valueless for collectors.
I think people are selling snake oil here if they tell you that bakelite can be repaired.
Bakelite is evil, it's the great grandaddy of all plastics, and the first horseman of the apocalypse. It needs to relegated to the carcinogenic trash bin of industrial history.
Don't be tempted unless you have masochistic tendencies.
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