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Post by paulsblues12 on Jul 16, 2022 21:05:12 GMT
Hi all,
Can anyone recommend a replacement cone for my gretsch G9202 or a good repairer that know what the setup for this guitar should be I have listened to some videos on this guitar and mine just does not seem to resonate how they do.
And advice would be very helpful.
Paul
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 17, 2022 8:37:31 GMT
Hi Paul,
You can fit a National cone, a Continental cone, or a Viking cone. I only know about National and Continental, I have never tried a Viking.
Unless the cone has collapsed in your guitar, it is highly unlikely that you need a replacement. If the guitar is sounding dull, it is more likely to do with setup. The biscuit, bridge saddle, tailpiece, break angle from tailpiece to bridge saddle, nut material and the way it is slotted for the strings, and finally neck angle. All of these things are important in getting a resonator guitar to sing and sound as it should.
I remember that you had some problems with this guitar when you first joined the forum and some good advice was offered.
I don't know of anyone I could recommend you to in the Norfolk area. Maybe someone else does, but luthiers with a proper understanding of resonator guitars are few and far between.
Before sending you off to spend money on the guitar, is there any way you could post a video so we can hear the sound for ourselves.
You really didn't need to post this question twice yesterday. I imagine that most people, certainly in the UK were out enjoying the beautiful weather.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Jul 17, 2022 9:14:59 GMT
Hi Paul, didn't Pete1951 of this parish and living in Cambridge offer to give you some in hand advice in your last thread?
He's a good guy and knows his stuff. It may be an idea to contact him and take a trip over to Cambridge.
Just a suggestion....
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 17, 2022 11:43:12 GMT
My experience with Resonator guitars is limited, but probably more than some. Happy to look at it, though it would mean a trip to Cambridge.
Pete
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Post by Stevie on Jul 17, 2022 14:21:15 GMT
Methinks that Pete doth undersell himself somewhat! I would entrust my Blightning to him in a heartbeat.
でつ e&oe ...
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Post by thinline72 on Jul 17, 2022 14:31:18 GMT
+1 to Stevie, Pete has done a great job on my reso. I'd rely on his friendly service again for sure.
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Post by paulsblues12 on Jul 19, 2022 10:13:46 GMT
Hi Michael
Thank you for your info.
I will try and video the guitar so that those in the know can see if I need to change anything.
sorry for posting twice I was just casting my net in what I thought was 2 ideal places.
I did have a repairer look at the guitar but he said that he was not an expert on resonators but did something to biscuit to raise the height of the strings.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 19, 2022 14:41:56 GMT
Hi Michael Thank you for your info. I will try and video the guitar so that those in the know can see if I need to change anything. sorry for posting twice I was just casting my net in what I thought was 2 ideal places. I did have a repairer look at the guitar but he said that he was not an expert on resonators but did something to biscuit to raise the height of the strings. Hi Paul No worries and it is my pleasure to be able to help and advise you. The repair person that raised either the biscuit or the bridge saddle may have dampened the sound by doing that. Resonator guitars really are a world unto themselves and even now with so many of them around, very few repairers know what they are doing with them. Video would be helpful. Shine On Michael |
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Post by vastopol on Jul 19, 2022 19:40:45 GMT
Another factor that you may keep in sight when you listen to another Gretsch resonator is to know that they use tree different types of cones in the same model...(if you try to find pics on the web, you may see that some doesn't show spirals, some have additional ribs on the perimeter, and some are slick...) each type of these cones have more or less interesting tonal capacities...or limits.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 19, 2022 20:06:14 GMT
Another factor that you may keep in sight when you listen to another Gretsch resonator is to know that they use tree different types of cones in the same model...(if you try to find pics on the web, you may see that some doesn't show spirals, some have additional ribs on the perimeter, and some are slick...) each type of these cones have more or less interesting tonal capacities...or limits. The reason for the different cones is that the manufacturer of Gretsch guitars have been trying to make their own cones, rather than buying them in from the people that know how to make them. Non spiral cones in National style guitars are useless. They just don't work like spiralled ones. Shine On Michael |
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Post by paulsblues12 on Jul 20, 2022 14:10:40 GMT
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Post by paulsblues12 on Jul 20, 2022 14:13:18 GMT
hi Michael
I managed to upload this video i could only do it on my computer for some strange reason
thank you for all of your help.
kind regards
Paul
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 20, 2022 17:06:15 GMT
Hi Paul,
That is very helpful.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the cone and everything on the outside looks okay. The tailpiece is a bit strange, but that is how it was designed and it seems fine on most of their guitars. I am wondering if the repairer has done something he or she shouldn't have done. I know this is a big ask, but can you open it up and do a video of the inside, showing how the biscuit and saddle are fitted to the cone, is there a gasket under the cone, and just a general look around.
Pete Towers and Mike Lewis, can you see anything that I am missing?
Don't worry Paul, we'll get there!
Shine On
Michael
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 20, 2022 18:29:30 GMT
Seems like the guitar was working ok before it was sent to Paul but arrived with the action too low, maybe there was a collapse on the cone in some way? Have spoken to Paul and I think he will bring it over to me at some point and we will see what has happened. A shim was put under the biscuit to raise the action, rather than a taller saddle made which might be some of the problem . We shall see!
Pete
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Post by tomkatb on Oct 11, 2022 2:06:06 GMT
I have the square neck version.
My bridge broke.
I had Frank Harlow repair mine. Dayton Ohio.
He replaced the bridge with an all hard maple one.
Ordered a cone from John Quarterman.
The sound improved. Louder. More deep. Just better.
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