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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 18, 2019 9:40:18 GMT
Ken, you are right, it looks a bit weird Shine On Michael
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Mar 18, 2019 10:35:21 GMT
My other concern is the tailpiece spacing - the nut and saddle can be cut to requirements so I reckon from tailpiece to saddle the strings will be "fanned" as the tailpiece outside string holes (E -e) are set narrower than they should be, too. A classic case, as MM says, of stock parts being used instead of parts built for purpose. This is not a major problem - the nut and saddle will be replaced; the saddle having deeper notches than normal to hold the strings in the slightly wider positions.
This will take a week or four to get organized and a set of Newtone 12s will be fitted so's I can tune down to open C.
Be patient and watch this space.......
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 18, 2019 10:45:10 GMT
PD, I don't think the fanning particularly matters, but you could probably fit a National-type 12 string tailpiece, which would look great.
Shine On Michael
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Post by bonzo on Mar 18, 2019 10:46:23 GMT
Hi PD and all, couple more shots of spacings that might be of help. When I got the guitar it was set up as a 6 string, the nut was 12 still but the bridge was 6. After reading up and with great care I cut new slots in the bridge, and it seems to have worked out okay. That's why I mentioned in my earlier post about you having enough room for new slots, it's something that you might want to try. Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Mar 18, 2019 10:51:28 GMT
PD, I don't think the fanning particularly matters, but you could probably fit a National-type 12 string tailpiece, which would look great. Shine On Michael "Where can I get one of they National-type 12 string tailpieces?" asked the lazy git.
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Post by slide496 on Mar 18, 2019 11:58:45 GMT
PD, I don't know you will be able to find a 12 string national tailpiece very easily - that is one of this issues that I feel was "overlooked" in the design. Maybe there are connections for that in the UK - I didn't find anything in the US
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Post by Andymccann on Mar 18, 2019 12:45:27 GMT
Elderly do a repro (I think) one.
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Post by tallsailor on Mar 18, 2019 14:19:46 GMT
Elderly do a repro (I think) one. Out of stock at the moment, though ( LINK) NRP might sell you one? (I edited this post so the photo was in the thread, rather than linked >MM)
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 18, 2019 14:32:04 GMT
That NRP one is an ugly looking thing! I meant one like an old Stella tailpiece, which was originally on my National Havana. This one is a Fraulini tailpiece and is exactly a copy of the real thing. It would look great on the Statesboro. I had one made for the Havana without the studs. I think Bill that used to make all the Beltona metal parts made it for me. Oops....she could do with a polish! Shine On Michael
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Post by lacerta on Mar 18, 2019 16:03:27 GMT
I played one of these in a (generally very good) shop an the setup was dreadful, the string spacing is way out. I was almost like playing a guitar with 12 single string courses, rather then 6 double courses. The problem is at the saddle and nut. I wouldn't worry too much about changing the tailpiece, all tailpiece designs will need some sort of fanning, and the tailpiece on the Statesboro is a copy of the one on the original Oscar Schmidt "Westbrook" guitar it's based on.
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 18, 2019 16:40:23 GMT
It is based on the Westbrook and you are right about the tailpiece, they will all fan out the strings. I just think that more solid tailpiece might look and work better. But to be fair, you and PD have played one of these guitars and I haven't. I am just going by what I see in the photos. By the sound of everything that has been said on this thread, these guitars really do need a good setup done by a luthier that understands this type of instrument.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Andymccann on Mar 19, 2019 11:43:01 GMT
I’m interested. Do all you 12 string Stella owners play tuned down a few steps? I’m pretty sure the bracing inside a 12 is the same as a 6?
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Post by alexkirtley on Mar 19, 2019 22:56:48 GMT
I’m interested. Do all you 12 string Stella owners play tuned down a few steps? I’m pretty sure the bracing inside a 12 is the same as a 6? Same Bracing for the most part, maybe bulked up a little, but a different scale, the Oscar Schmidt 12ers 26 1/2" would be too much for concert pitch, with light (10) string you might get up to D but I wouldn't want to take it much farther, regal used a more standard 25" scale, but some (like Tonk Brothers) went the other way and took the scale length as far as 27"
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Post by blueshome on Mar 19, 2019 23:40:06 GMT
Get the nut sorted and then get it tuned down to B or below for the McTell sound. For strings, Newtone made me a set of 13-66 nickel which sound great.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 25, 2019 10:49:31 GMT
Nut and saddle now sorted with the original tailpiece, strings fanned out. Need to practise a bit more with the fitted 10s tuned to D to get used to the spacing then, hopefully at the weekend, I'll fit the heavier Newtones and tune her down to B.
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