Tuning please ..

[jono1uk]

Hi Guys 


Anyone know what tune the guitar is in please on this?

[Michael Messer]

Hi Jono,

I do know what tuning and key it is in, but I want you to work it out because it is a good exercise.

1 - Assuming that it is in an open tuning, it is probably in D or G tuning.

2 - With a capo at the 2nd fret and knowing it is open tuning, it is likely to be in the key of E or A.

3 - Even with the sound off, you should be able to spot a few pointers that tell you what tuning it is in. Look at the chord shapes, like the one on the top two strings at the 3rd fret. That shape can only be done in this type of style in one of the tunings I have mentioned. Then look where the melody is being played with the slide - is it coming off the open top string, or from further up the top string?

4 - Chord progression - It is > 1 >5 >1 >4 >1 >5 >1.

Let me know what key and tuning you think it is in.

Here's a nice one...



....and this one



...and...



Best wishes

Shine On
Michael

[jono1uk]

mmmm ok so having tried in both keys i am going to say open D capo'd to E?

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Dec 9, 2018 15:40:58 GMT jono1uk said:

mmmm ok so having tried in both keys i am going to say open D capo'd to E?

I'm gonna say WRONG
TT

[Michael Messer]

Hi Jono,

Pete Towers (Pete1951) actually posted the right key & tuning for you, which I quickly deleted. I hope Pete was not offended. I didn't do it to be dominant, I was doing it to get you to work it out.

Okay.... it is in G tuning in the Key of A. I understand what you did, because there is an E chord in it, but that E is the 5 chord, not the 1. That is the reason I wrote out the progression for you. It was to see that there is an E in the 2nd bar.

I know I have a lot of experience, as do Pete & TT, but apart from using my ears and knowing it is in A tuning (or G capoed to A) by the sound of the patterns and shapes being played, I also used my eyes and could see the open G tuning shapes and patterns being used.

Ear training is such an important part of learning to play. As I have said at my workshops, using an electronic tuner is wonderful and so convenient, because everyone is instantly in tune. However, the down side of it is that you must train your ears. My advice to Jono, is to work on some ear training. I won't lay it all out now, but there are some helpful methods to get you going. Meanwhile, listen to pieces of guitar playing that are in the styles you understand and use a process of elimination and logic to work out what keys and tunings they are in. Think of some logical ways to decode what you are hearing and while it might feel frustrating, I promise you that is is just so important to be able to hear these things.

Good luck

Shine On
Michael.

[Stevie]

Where else but here gentle reader?

e&oe...

[jono1uk]

so .what is the chord shape at 37 seconds in?

[Michael Messer]

Where I say fret 3, 5, 7, etc... I am meaning 3, 5, 7 from the capo, not from the nut.

Melody notes with the slide are coming from frets 5, 7, 9 on the top string, and strings 2 and 3 at fret 12. The opening part of the melody goes up to fret 14 on string 2 from fret 12 on strings 2 and 3.

There's an A7th chord (the 1) - all open and fretting strings 1 and 2 with the first finger.

Then there's a full A major chord (the 1) - all open fretting first finger string 2 at fret 3, and he's using his pinky on string 1 at fret 5 (slide is on third finger so uses pinky)

Then there's the E7th chord (the 5), I think Ian is just playing half the chord - fretting strings 5 and 3 at fret 2 with first and second fingers.

Then there's a D chord (the 4) - first finger on string 2 at fret 1 and second finger on string 4 at fret 2.

When Ian plays the 5 chord with the slide at fret 7, he adds a note two frets up on the top string with his pinky.

There you go Jono, I hope that helps.

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I just saw that it was filmed at the High Barn at Great Bardfield, Braintree. Ian and I were both regulars there at that time. It was a beautiful venue and it was also a built in recording studio / film studio, so they could make live films and recordings there. Then a few years ago they realised they could make more money doing the same thing with their beautiful building and built in film studio doing weddings and corporate functions, so that was the end of it as a live music venue.

This is what it looks like now... The room is the same, but the tables aren't!



Shine On
Michael

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[Pickers Ditch]

Dec 9, 2018 18:46:06 GMT Michael Messer said:

I just saw that it was filmed at the High Barn at Great Bardfield, Braintree. Ian and I were both regulars there at that time. It was a beautiful venue and it was also a built in recording studio / film studio, so they could make live films and recordings there. Then a few years ago they realised they could make more money doing the same thing with their beautiful building and built in film studio doing weddings and corporate functions, so that was the end of it as a live music venue.

This is what it looks like now... The room is the same, but the tables aren't!



Shine On
Michael

Srewf! That's a surprise to see that picture on here!

Played a few weddings there and a Bar Miztvah ... good gig, get free beer, get free excellent food and cash money, too!

[jono1uk]

Thank you so much Michael ..

[Michael Messer]

Dec 9, 2018 19:12:01 GMT jono1uk said:

Thank you so much Michael ..

My pleasure Jono. I hope it helps.

Shine On
Michael

[jono1uk]

so the 1926 he is playing will be 12 frets to the body as per normal?

[Michael Messer]

Dec 9, 2018 20:40:48 GMT jono1uk said:

so the 1926 he is playing will be 12 frets to the body as per normal?

It is not a 1926. There is no such thing as a 1926 National Triolian. If I remember rightly, it is a 1931/32 - 12 frets to the body National Triolian. Same as your MMB.

Shine On
Michael

[jono1uk]

coool he reckons he has a 26 lol ...what year did they first produce them?