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Post by Pickers Ditch on Sept 24, 2018 13:29:00 GMT
I'm trying to get "Back Where I Started" sorted and there is one chord which Mr. Trucks plays at the beginning of the chorus which I can't find. It's the one at 1.02 played behind " "How did I...." The song on this video seems to be played in B Sebastapol, the rest of it I've got, but this one chord I cannot find. Please bear in mind that I'm musically dyslexic, cannot read a dot of music and I don't know the names of chords etc. So if someone can give me the fingering or diagram of this chord I would be eternally grateful - I might even run to buying a pint for the magician.  Ithangyoo.... |
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Post by Stevie on Sept 24, 2018 17:09:19 GMT
It's fairly well established that DT plays in open E, Sliding or fingering and he's a master of both. I reckon you must be aware of that already? I can't dissect the piece for you PD because I'm half cut sitting on a decking down here on The Lizard, but I know there are plenty of others not so compromised that will steam in. I have it on my "smart" 'phone but it's a no go right now ho ho! ;<D
e&oe...
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Sept 24, 2018 17:33:10 GMT
Sounds good to me Stevie, I'm sitting here sober on the East coast nursing a stinkin' cold with the North wind howlin'.
Must be a song in there somewhere.......
Yup, normally he plays in open E but this one is in open B.
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Post by jono1uk on Sept 24, 2018 17:42:59 GMT
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Post by Stevie on Sept 24, 2018 17:56:42 GMT
At that time, I'm getting G#min going to D#min* resolving back to Bmaj via Emaj? However some things sound right to me in my head that are not in fact what is being played and as I listen through that piece there are some other luscious chords that come across as ethereal to me in so far as I can't quite put my finger on them, literally as well as figuratively. At that point I realise how good and creative other folks are (or understand my own limitations more like!)
Since I don't know which tuning you're in I can't give you specific fingerings, but I've already pushed the boat out anyway in my present condition! Is it worth Googling for some tab?
Edited from incorrect C#min ;<D
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Sept 24, 2018 18:10:57 GMT
Yes, I've checked for tab and, as Jono's suggestion, they're all in standard tuning.
I can understand the minor suggestions but they just don't sound right in that open tuning.
Ethereal is a great description - it could be that the bu88er is playing some open strings in there too.
I'm off to try a few tricks.....
Oh, I wish I had a better ear....
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Post by Stevie on Sept 24, 2018 20:00:59 GMT
Sometimes you can get away with just a couple of fingers and let an adjacent open string (or two) ring out against them. I fell back on that after the "B" (in standard tuning) I am.just using third and fourth string fourth fret and letting the open B and E ring against them. Of course it's not "right" but it is getting somewhere. Not academic though! Tracking such "chords" down is a tough call for me. I just keep going until I get something that works if only for me. On the other hand, whilst my approach is partly laziness and it is hardly forensic, it does at least push things along instead of blindly duplicating. You've picked a nice one to work on PD, it's prompted me to look into it a little deeper. Cheers!
Edit: Whoops! I meant sixth fret, not fourth. D'oh...
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Sept 24, 2018 20:32:46 GMT
Got it! (I think). G#m played with two fingers, 9th fret 6th string and 8th fret 3rd string, letting the two top strings ring sounds very close.  Thanks for your help so far. Any further ideas would be most welcome. |
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Post by Stevie on Sept 24, 2018 20:56:51 GMT
That's what I mean PD. I loused up anyway because I meant sixth fret not fourth for that doublet after the B chord. Oh well. If you know for sure he's in open B then it would be better to go the same route. It helps when trying to find those nuanced triplets and so on. Often they fall to hand when you have the tuning nailed. I have found that with two or three Martin Simpson pieces where I have not needed any tab for often apparently complex pieces- just the correct tuning and it all comes together.
In open tunings, there is much to be gained from seeing how the odd doublet rings out against the remaining open strings. More so than standard tuning in my opinion. I think we all know that from.where we try short cuts on the well named F chord. What is it about F? It is a challenge on the mandolin as well as various other open tunings.
Like you I have little musical notation knowledge, but also like you I get by with what pleases me. I tip my hat to the pros that have to get everything on the button- every time, and sing as well.
e&oe...
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Post by Stevie on Sept 25, 2018 7:20:57 GMT
Two other things: first- in my haze I wrote C#min. That should have been D#min! I was lying in bed going through it in my mind (as you do) and realised that I was incorrect. The ability to count frets along the neck had temporarily escaped me which was acceptable given my circumstances (at least for me!)
Secondly- it may be in the key of B but still played with the guitar in open E tuning? I'll take another look and see if I can make it out from that camera angle.
I hope your cold is getting a bit better PD? A cracking day down here ;<D
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Sept 25, 2018 7:45:32 GMT
Mornin' Stevie - The Sun Is Shinin' here , the cold is leaving slowly. Haven't tried anymore this morning as SWMBO is still asleep suffering from the damn cold too. ... if nothing else, my skip dive special sounds terrific tuned down to open B.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 16:18:09 GMT
This should be it  The hollow circle is optional / muted. TT |
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Sept 25, 2018 17:04:10 GMT
....3 minutes ago PD said "you're right." Thank you. Very similar to what I found last night - it sounds right with them open strings. |
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Post by Stevie on Sept 25, 2018 17:39:25 GMT
You can rely upon TT!
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