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Post by monkey on Aug 27, 2018 19:39:15 GMT
Does anyone have any experience of upgrading a Chinese tricone ? I have a Busker tricone and am generally happy with it but always interested in improving the sound. Does anyone know which cones were used in Busker guitars ? Would fitting cones from National , Delta , or some other source make a noticeable improvement . I also would like to get a saddle but can't find a supplier . I've had stuff from Stewmac in the past but they don't carry anything for tricones. Any help much appreciated.
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Post by Ian McWee on Aug 27, 2018 20:39:48 GMT
Your Busker tri-cone will be fitted from the factory with Continental cones (unless changed by a previous owner).
The general consensus regarding swapping-out the Continental cones for a set of Nationals is that you'll notice a slight tonal change ~ but that difference will be so slight you won't enjoy any kind of 'Hallelujah' moment - and purchasing a set of National cones for over £100.00 won't give you £100.00 worth of noticeable tonal difference against the Continental cones.
Delta Resonator Cones ceased to exist a few years ago and have no connection with Delta Resonator Guitars.
Hope this helps!
Slide On!
Ian.
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 27, 2018 20:44:50 GMT
Hi Monkey,
Do not upgrade the cones. Continental 6" cones are excellent.
The best upgrade you could do is to take it to a really good experienced resonator luthier and get it properly setup. Oh yes...and take the black paint off the aluminium T bridge, it kills all the highs and sweetness.
My advice is to take it to Dave King and get the guitar optimised.
These guitars, due to their construction, do have limitations. The fact that there is not an MM tricone is not because I forgot to add one to the range.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by gaucho on Aug 27, 2018 21:03:31 GMT
Just as an aside to what Michael and Ian said, I put Hot Rod cones (from National Resophonic) into a very similar tricone with Continental cones. Total waste of money. The removal of the black paint made a much bigger difference. Keep the cones, lose the paint and get a proper set up as mentioned above.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 0:01:16 GMT
Ditto on removing the black paint...i did it thinking how can it be, but it made a big difference.
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Post by jono1uk on Aug 28, 2018 15:09:57 GMT
Hi Michael would the black paint removal be as effective or more effective then the so called "Mushroom mod"? explanation below for those unaware.. www.resohangout.com/archive/23764 |
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 28, 2018 15:29:14 GMT
Hi Jono,
The so-called "mushroom mod" is in my humble opinion, total bollox.
Vintage National tricones turn up with any number of factory-fitted mushrooms in all kinds of places. The best and most effective mod on a Chinese-built tricone is to strip the black paint off the T bridge and get the guitar set up by a master resonator luthier.
Shine On
Michael
("Total bollox" is a technical term used by master coneheads when confronted with the idea of a mushroom mod! )
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Post by monkey on Aug 28, 2018 15:35:00 GMT
Many thanks for your replies. Looks like you have saved me enough money to buy you all a beer !
I will try stripping the black paint off the T bar. Everyone seems to agree on that. I would never have thought of it. Cheers !
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Post by bluesdude on Aug 28, 2018 15:40:28 GMT
And if I might add!!!! no "Mods"(damn I hate that word!) necessary if its done right the first time!
Kenny,
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Post by pete1951 on Aug 28, 2018 15:42:40 GMT
It may be the thickness of paint that is the problem. I would expect a cymbal, covered with a layer of paint would stop 'ringing'. I have always assumed the paint somehow dampens some frequencies???
PT
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Post by Stevie on Aug 28, 2018 16:15:47 GMT
It's true Pete. It's a lamination. Sometimes there are a number of layers... Any lamination stiffens a structure.
e&oe...
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Post by jono1uk on Aug 28, 2018 16:21:38 GMT
Many thanks for your replies. Looks like you have saved me enough money to buy you all a beer ! I will try stripping the black paint off the T bar. Everyone seems to agree on that. I would never have thought of it. Cheers ! please let the forum know your findings ...!! Jono |
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Post by washboardchris on Aug 30, 2018 9:28:46 GMT
If you are removing the cones and you are having no buzz or anything it is best to number the cones &mark where they are sitting in the well,bow wood makes a very good saddle (search boot fairs for old bow wood rulers.If you or someone you know can thickness it for you I have a piece of box wood I can send you(thanks to Leeophonic )let me know if you want a piece. good luck Chris
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Post by jono1uk on Sept 7, 2018 9:29:53 GMT
I got my Luthier to remove the black paint off my chinese Tricone a couple of days ago.
it was on thick ..Luthier reckons paint stripper wouldn't of done it ... had to be scraped off ...
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Post by leeophonic on Sept 7, 2018 10:42:46 GMT
Probably because modern paint stripper has gone all health & safety, no longer burns the skin & scorches the eyes like the good old days.
Lee
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