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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 7, 2015 8:37:18 GMT
You haven't had to sleep behind a piano then?
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Post by profscratchy on Nov 7, 2015 8:45:08 GMT
This thread starts out with frustration at not being able to finger a particular turnaround in Spanish tuning. Listen to the experts. Blueshome and Snakehips have said that this turnaround is easier in G standard. That's why RJ played it in G standard. Can anyone cite an instance where the turnaround was ever played in Spanish by a source musician? Don't think so.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 7, 2015 9:29:44 GMT
I'm sorry about the flippant remarks and for not sticking to the subject.
In Spanish Open G Tuning......
Here goes, bearing in mind that I am totally dyslexic when it comes to reading and writing music and tab - and I'm a bass player.
I do the turn round (if this is the turn round we're talking about) like this, with slide fitted to my little finger.
Hold the G note on the second string 8th. fret with the first finger whilst stating the run down on the 5th. string, 10th. fret with the third finger.
Then 5th. string, 9th. fret with second finger, still holding the G note on the second string 8th. fret with the first finger.
Next is second string, 8th. fret with the second finger and G note 5th. string, 8th. fret with third finger.
Finally 5th. string, 7th fret with first finger and G note second string 8th. fret with third finger.
For a grand finale you can then hit all top 5 strings hard with the slide on the seventh fret. Wahay!
Does this make sense?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 10:17:04 GMT
This thread starts out with frustration at not being able to finger a particular turnaround in Spanish tuning. Listen to the experts. Blueshome and Snakehips have said that this turnaround is easier in G standard. That's why RJ played it in G standard. Can anyone cite an instance where the turnaround was ever played in Spanish by a source musician? Don't think so. Actually, no, that was me who leaped to the conclusion that he was working in Spanish tuning, since that's the way I play it -- and the "experts" I learned it from claim the song is in Open G. Besides, the turnaround is not at all difficult in Spanish. What is a source musician? But no one truly knows what tunings Johnson played in, the "experts" be damned. Legend has it he turned his back to people when he played (which...yeah...) A lot of what I've read about him just feels to me like illogical myth-making, wishful overthinking, and overwrought expertology stemming from some odd desire to establish Johnson as the end-all and be-all of blues guitar.
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Post by snakehips on Nov 7, 2015 10:34:49 GMT
I play the 88's too - hence why it sounds so good to me.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 7, 2015 10:34:43 GMT
I'm getting confused now and my brain hurts: I thought Spanish tuning was Open G tuning or am I wrong again? This ol' git has trouble code breaking. For simplicity could we agree on standardizing the naming of the basic blues guitar tunings so's I have a vague idea of what's going on here, please?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 10:45:49 GMT
this turnaround is easier in G standard. That's why RJ played it in G standard. I doubt that 'because its easier' is the reason for RJ playing it in G standard. He could have played it in open G if he wanted to. Maybe he did, but didn't record it? My 'solution 2' is really easy to do in open G. As some of the youtube etc clips state, it possibly sounds a bit better in G standard, but that's subjective. If this thread shows anything, its that there more than one way to skin a tiger. TT
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 7, 2015 10:56:49 GMT
Aha, so G Standard means it is played in the key of G in Standard guitar tuning?
Help me, please guys....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 11:01:24 GMT
Correct - as if it were standard tuning with a capo at fret 3. TT
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Post by profscratchy on Nov 7, 2015 11:04:37 GMT
Deuce: Of course it is possible to play a version of Love In Vain in open G tuning. However, Robert Johnson played it in G standard. If you want to get as close to the original sound, you'll play it in G standard. If you want to do a cover version that doesn't sound like Robert Johnson, you can play a version in any key and in any tuning. That's perfectly OK, just not the way the source musician (in this case Robert Johnson, mickeyz) played it.
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Post by bod on Nov 7, 2015 11:06:26 GMT
I'm getting confused now and my brain hurts: I thought Spanish tuning was Open G tuning or am I wrong again? This ol' git has trouble code breaking. For simplicity could we agree on standardizing the naming of the basic blues guitar tunings so's I have a vague idea of what's going on here, please? Hi PD, this can seem confusing, but I believe you are just one clarification shy of getting it: 'Spanish' names a particular configuration of relationships (or intervals) between strings (5 - R -5 - R - 3 - 5). What gets referred to as 'open G' is an instance of Spanish (D - G -D -G -B -D), 'G Spanish', if you will... Tune a tone higher and you have an open A, but it is still an instance of Spanish, call it 'A Spanish'.... Likewise, what is known as 'open D' is an instance of Vestal Vestapol (R - 5- R - 3 - 5 - R), Tune a tone hight and you have an open E, which is another instance of Vestapol... Make sense?
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Post by bod on Nov 7, 2015 11:08:16 GMT
Aha, so G Standard means it is played in the key of G in Standard guitar tuning? Help me, please guys.... Yes - so maybe I just tried to clarify the wrong thing (recent post, above) - wouldn't be the first time....
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 7, 2015 11:14:30 GMT
Thank you, people. I'm beginning to understand - it's just that words get in the way. No wonder lawyers make money.
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Post by blueshome on Nov 7, 2015 14:20:56 GMT
PD, you did say you were a bass player! :-)
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 7, 2015 15:02:35 GMT
PD, you did say you were a bass player! :-) 'fraid so blueshome, , but I've had a serious passion for blues, resos, slides and things for yonks and you've probably noticed I'm working hard at getting it together, at last. Can do some of it, bit rough and ready, and I'm desperately trying to go through the brick wall I've hit - seem to keep playing the same stuff over and over - need a kick up the jacksie to get to the next stage.
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