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Post by supertone on Jul 6, 2015 18:47:51 GMT
Thanks for the posts....but I think I'm in the wrong place...bye.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 6, 2015 19:33:40 GMT
Hi Supertone,
Welcome to our forum.
You are asking about information on making the most difficult of all resonator guitars.
While I am not trying in any way to put you off, I would say that you need to do a lot of research and see, play and dissect as many Triplates as possible before trying to build one. Sure, with 40 years experience of making guitars you can build a wood bodied guitar with three cones in it, but these are not acoustic guitars, as Stevie has rightly pointed out, they are more akin to a speaker cabinet than a guitar. You have said that until recently you never had the slightest interest in Nationals. Well I can tell you you that everyone I know who builds these guitars are steeped in their history and have owned numerous vintage Nationals. Until the late 1980s when Alan Timmins, Mike Lewis, Don Young and one or two others started making them, all everyone did was stare at them in wonderment. Even National when they started up in the late 80s couldn't build Triplates.
You are asking about a wood bodied Triplate, but you are saying that you are trying to replicate Tampa Red's instrument, which was a German Silver guitar built in National's golden era. While Tampa Red has become known for his Triplate, it is worth noting that I do not think all of his recordings made with a National, were played on the Triplate. It is also worth considering that Tampa Red is one of the greatest slide guitarists ever, which might also have something to do with his amazing sound.
A wood bodied Triplate is never going to sound like Tampa Red's German Silver guitar. Wood bodied and newly built German Silver Triplates can, if built by the right person, sound as amazing as original 1920s Nationals, but I only know of one person in the world who can do that.
Cones; this is a black art and is one that less than a handful of people in the world can do as well as original 20s & 30s National cones. These people have spent decades mastering their craft.
I am not trying to be negative or unhelpful, but I am giving you my honest opinion on the questions you have asked.
I am not wishing you to fail. I wish you every success with your project. Please don't think we are being unhelpful and please keep us informed with your progress.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 6, 2015 19:36:05 GMT
I have only just seen this thread and did not realise that while I was writing to you, that you had written your last post.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 13:31:40 GMT
Michael and others...it is extremely generous of you to put in the time and effort to provide honest and thoughtful responses to the individual that acted in a flippant manner, essentially as a guest. The honest, quality, experienced information offered here, even if I do not fully agree, is the reason I hang around this BB...
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Post by chesterpete on Jul 7, 2015 14:12:56 GMT
I'll echo Fred's sentiment. The OP seems quite rude.
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 7, 2015 14:53:58 GMT
another tricone is planned. I think it would be best to sit down with someone who has made one with a sheet of paper and talk it through. PT This was an invitation to start talking and planning. I think he was in the right place but asked the wrong questions. I`m sure he could have found all he wanted here, most of us who have done some making know how hard it is, and even harder if you have a `sound` in mind and want to recreate it. (I am always happy that my guitars make any sort of noise, let alone that of one blues player in particular) PT
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Post by Tim Mac on Jul 7, 2015 17:20:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:38:35 GMT
Great thread Tim Mac. I couldn't open up the soundclip file at the end though! TT
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Post by Tim Mac on Jul 7, 2015 19:45:45 GMT
Hi Deuce
I could open it and listen to the clip .. you may have to be logged in to hear it
Tim
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Jul 7, 2015 20:01:37 GMT
A thought - have you PM'd Supertone with the link? Just in case he's not reading the forum anymore......
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 8, 2015 15:42:26 GMT
It just goes to show what you can do if you try . I will be trying some like it soon I hope. PT Might use 2 slim neck sticks that run tight along the sides rather than down the centre. Similar to a ply lap guitar I made a year or so ago There is also the question of extra sound holes along the neck,
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Post by mikenewport on Jul 8, 2015 19:17:20 GMT
That looks great Pete but wouldn't too many apertures reduce the pressure and therefore the volume? I know nothing about guitar construction but it reminds of the effect of water pressure from a small pipe to a big pipe. Mike
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 9, 2015 12:44:23 GMT
The tricone has very large cut-out holes (much larger than a Dobro or most single cones), maybe reduce them and add a neck port? It would point at the people listening (why should I be the only one to suffer when playing a lap guitar?) PT
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