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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 7:10:04 GMT
also wasn't trying to diss getting vocal training. just wanted to make the point that being an excellent singer is not prerequisite. I actually prefer singers who don't have a "perfect" voice. I grew up listening to Lou Reed almost non-stop (when I wasn't listening to Jonathan Richman). Now that I'm in France, I've discovered Serge Gainsbourg, especially his later songs -- now that's a voice with swagger! There's more to singing than simply being able to hear and hit the key. Breathing and posture. Enunciation. And especially rhythm and PHRASING. One thing I feel with a lot of singers who are "almost" good is that they don't seem to know how to close a phrase. They'll sing well enough, but when they get to the end of a line, their voice just hangs there. Don't know if that makes sense.
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Post by bod on Apr 22, 2015 19:39:14 GMT
Thanks all for sharing experience and insights, with stuff to think about, stuff to try plus some clear concrete guidance, I'm feeling better oriented to the task. (As a first step, I'm going with regular warm-ups in the hope that this does help with consistency, as that'd improve my chances of learning effectively.) Thanks again, much appreciated.
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Post by slide496 on Apr 23, 2015 0:33:12 GMT
Good luck with the effort and for the post itself!
The way it has been going with me originally I thought I sounded very loud but when I taped myself it was barely audible.
Now its working its way through a baby stage where I am closing the gap between what I think I am singing and the recorded playback, which has been kind of like when a child shows an adult a scribble, what they see on their end is a perfect rendering, if that makes sense.
Its becoming clearer to me defining the issues of phrasing, rhythm, pitch and staying on key specifically to me, in much the same way I had to identify, analyze the areas in playing guitar that needed to be addressed, I had to get to a point before I even knew to do that.
Lawd lawdy, Harriet
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 7:04:16 GMT
When I'm accompanying myself, I find it essential to get to the point where I don't have to think at all about the guitar -- just let my fingers do the work. Same goes for the lyrics - I need them to just flow out. Then I can concentrate on my singing. I'm really lazy about memorizing lyrics these days though.
Unless of course I'm on stage, at which point, it ALL goes into automatic mode, because there are so many other things to be thinking about at the same time. I remember reading an interview with Brian May where he discusses this -- something to the effect of how to play, sing and perform while all the while keeping an eye on what the audience is doing, what the rest of the band is doing, what song he'd be playing next, AND about the sandwich he'd eaten that afternoon and the waitress who kept checking him out while worrying if his wife would still be there when he got home....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 7:14:24 GMT
I agree with all that. Also I find I go wrong when I think "this is going well" and then... TT
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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2015 17:27:12 GMT
...Another [tip] is to warm your voice up. Start with the lowest note you can sing and try and gradually swoop up to the highest and back down. Repeat. Aim for smoothness, no warbles and wobbles or jerky increases/decreases in pitch. ... I can see this is going to take a while - early attempts sound like I'm trying to drag my voice up a steep flight of stairs...
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