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Post by wolvoboy on Jun 19, 2009 11:50:34 GMT
i know its not a resonator guitar but i had to put this one a 11 string bass guitar, this must have been a luthiers nightmare to make,with twisted fretboard.
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Post by percythewonderant on Jun 19, 2009 12:34:24 GMT
Hi I'm Out of the loft! After moving a large number of cardboard boxes, suit cases and the general detritus that make up the 'broken pieces of yesterday's life,' I found a dusty shop box that contained a load of ring binders. I remembered clipping the page about Jimi's guitars in one of them. It was of course in the last one in the pile but I found it.
Jimi did have a resonator and it was 12 string but I got the all details very wrong. The memory obviously isn't what it was. Sorry!
Jimi's 12 string was neither a National nor metal bodied it was a 12string 'Electric Dobro'.
I was wrong about the magazine and the country it came from too..........The photograph of the 12 string Dobro was printed in August 1994 in 'Guitarist' magazine on page 130.
It was pure chance that I kept the page. I had never heard of a 12 string reso at that time and indeed never saw one until I attended an MM concert a few years back.
If anyone is interested I can scan the page and email mail it or post a copy, and if anyone can tell me how to put a scan on this forum I can do that. However I do not have the whole article as I tore the page out of the magazine and chucked the rest away.
Unless someone wants me to find the article about King George the fives square neck tricone (truly) I'd better get on with the washing up before my wife gets home!
Percy
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Post by wolvoboy on Jun 19, 2009 13:01:00 GMT
Here's a you tube clip of Jimi Hendrix playing an acoustic 12 string ,amazing
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Post by percythewonderant on Jun 19, 2009 13:10:37 GMT
Wow wolvoboy that was really nice. He always does it for me!
Thanks
Was that a Zematis he was playing? Anybody?
Percy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 13:30:18 GMT
i know its not a resonator guitar but i had to put this one a 11 string bass guitar, this must have been a luthiers nightmare to make,with twisted fretboard. wolvoboy Twisted fretboard?... it's a fanned fret instrument, the bass strings have a longer scale than the trebles,, hence the spalyed or 'fanned' frets.
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Post by wolvoboy on Jun 19, 2009 13:40:48 GMT
Thanks john,it gives the illusion of being twisted,still it must be a nightmare to build one. wolvoboy
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Post by wolvoboy on Jun 19, 2009 13:50:55 GMT
anyone know who this hooded man is playing a 12 string National,strange
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Post by gouranga on Jul 3, 2009 7:24:37 GMT
Where to get a nice 12 string Resonator that isn't going to cost an arm and a leg and a few other parts f this old anatomy? A national would be way beyond my reach. I have always like 12 string a lot. Anyone? Regards
Gouranga
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Post by snakehips on Jul 3, 2009 18:40:35 GMT
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Post by gouranga on Jul 3, 2009 18:53:22 GMT
Hi Snakehips. Just tried the link you put on. Getting invalid item coming back. Was looking forward to it.
take care Regards to auld reekie.
Gouranga
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Post by melp on Jul 3, 2009 21:29:07 GMT
Hi Michael,
That Havana sounds awesome on the sound techniques DVD. Does it use a heavier cone, or just a standard 9.5" single cone? Do you use standard open tunings on it?
The pressure on the cone must be quite high.
Also, interested in your comment that some 12 string attempts done work well.
I was listening to the Bob B NRP catalogue recordings comparing various NRP guitars (if we take the sense of comparing recordings as read) it was interesting listening to the 12 and 14 fret style 0's in terms of sound difference.
If the main difference between these is body size. I wonder if body size is a key to 12 string resonators - meaning having a large enough body to express the tone - the body size of your Havana looks pretty big to me, compared with a "standard" National body.
regards
Mel
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Post by snakehips on Jul 3, 2009 23:20:49 GMT
Hi again !
Gouranga - copy and paste the whole ebay address - the MM website shows the actual long address over 2 lines of text - you need to copy'n'paste all of it ...... or try the Item number into the ebay search box :
130316181330
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 4, 2009 10:43:34 GMT
Hi Mel,
This might sound a bit brutal, but apart from one instrument, I do not like any twelve string National or Dobro guitars that I have heard. The one I am talking about is the National Havana. It is a unique instrument. The body dimensions are bigger than other Nationals (apart from the Aragon), the body is laminate back'n'sides with a solid spruce top..MOST UNUSUAL for a National, the neck width & profile are enormous, the headstock is gigantic and the neck is way heavier than the body. The cone is a normal 1937 cone with a regular National biscuit and bridge. The cone sits on felt and I like to tune it to low tunings - CFCFAC - CGCEGC ...and even lower. It is fine in high tunings, but I like it tuned down. I string it with medium gauge 13 to 56 Newtones, but I replace the 56 with a 59 as I am always tuned down. As you can see and hear in the Sound Tech' DVD, this is a monster guitar and as far as we know, a on-of-a-kind-monster! It is quite a guitar. It was lovingly restored for me a few years ago by Mike Lewis. To see it in the state it was in before Mike's restoration, go to Notecannons.com and you will see many pics of it.
Shine On Michael
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Post by melp on Jul 4, 2009 15:01:16 GMT
Michael,
Many thanks for the information. I have certainly never heard anything like the Havana - the sound you get on the "Lonesome Atlanta Blues" is just out of this world. I guess its a combination of the 12 string sound complexity, with such rich undertones and overtones. The lower pitch gives it some real power. I think I just heard one of the best guitars ever!
Cheers
Mel
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Post by blueshome on Jul 4, 2009 15:49:05 GMT
I've heard a few 12-string resos over time and all except MM's Havana are more suitable as novelty instruments rather than producing useful sounds, certainly for traditional blues & folk music. The options if you are serious about 12-string playing would seem to be - give up on the idea and get a decent ladder-braced wood guitar, or get Mike Lewis to build a copy of Michael's guitar (expensive, but tempting).
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