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Post by littlebobby on Apr 12, 2024 7:21:17 GMT
What do folks use to get a bit of grunt / drive if anything? I tend do go directly into PA up to now and occasionally I think the songs could do with a bit of grunt / warm distortion. The fender smolder is damn pricey.
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 14, 2024 20:45:32 GMT
Jimmy Page used a Dallas Arbiter "fuzz" pedal turned way-way down on the wave peak squaring into a tube amp, with the rest added by amplifier output tube clipping. this ploy was used to avoid the "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" type chainsaw grind that many dislike. clearly this seems well beyond your stated desires. another option is just a 10 band EQ pedal used to cut unwanted frequencies and/or boost the desired frequency range into amplfication source and mildly saturating input signal to PA by tweaking input/output volumes to taste. reviews: products.bestreviews.com/best-guitar-eq-pedal?yb&cid=650116251&aid=1254543415160027&eid=&tid=kwd-78409332074560:loc-190&ul=78540&mt=p&n=s&d=c&dm=&dt&sn&adid=&k=guitar%20eq%20pedal&p=&pc=&ap=&chtrb=1&msclkid=08b57a186d341d32abfb1c0443913a9ethe Electro Harmonix "English Muff'n" was a compromise between signal Hz selection and genuine tube/valve wave clipping input to amplification source. it used a "cascading tone circuit". high/mid/low volume pots regulated circuit based on the Vox AC30 preamp design. the original OEM tube offerings were 12AX7 pair. later reduced to 12AY7 to get away from over emphasizing distortion. to my tastes a 12AU7/ECC82 is a better choice for most use. even an intentional use of different valves is possible in order to change gain characteristics. still, it will not really get the output valve saturation qualities from resulting signal. the EHX was steadily going down in used prices until the offering was dropped from production 'coupla years ago. now the demand has increased by lack of supply. user ratings near bottom of page: reverb.com/p/electro-harmonix-english-muffnNOT an endorsement for any of them. you have to decide what creates the sound you really desire. hope this helped some, mitchfit |
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Post by littlebobby on Apr 15, 2024 6:40:55 GMT
Jimmy Page used a Dallas Arbiter "fuzz" pedal turned way-way down on the wave peak squaring into a tube amp, with the rest added by amplifier output tube clipping. this ploy was used to avoid the "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" type chainsaw grind that many dislike. clearly this seems well beyond your stated desires. another option is just a 10 band EQ pedal used to cut unwanted frequencies and/or boost the desired frequency range into amplfication source and mildly saturating input signal to PA by tweaking input/output volumes to taste. reviews: products.bestreviews.com/best-guitar-eq-pedal?yb&cid=650116251&aid=1254543415160027&eid=&tid=kwd-78409332074560:loc-190&ul=78540&mt=p&n=s&d=c&dm=&dt&sn&adid=&k=guitar%20eq%20pedal&p=&pc=&ap=&chtrb=1&msclkid=08b57a186d341d32abfb1c0443913a9ethe Electro Harmonix "English Muff'n" was a compromise between signal Hz selection and genuine tube/valve wave clipping input to amplification source. it used a "cascading tone circuit". high/mid/low volume pots regulated circuit based on the Vox AC30 preamp design. the original OEM tube offerings were 12AX7 pair. later reduced to 12AY7 to get away from over emphasizing distortion. to my tastes a 12AU7/ECC82 is a better choice for most use. even an intentional use of different valves is possible in order to change gain characteristics. still, it will not really get the output valve saturation qualities from resulting signal. the EHX was steadily going down in used prices until the offering was dropped from production 'coupla years ago. now the demand has increased by lack of supply. user ratings near bottom of page: reverb.com/p/electro-harmonix-english-muffnNOT an endorsement for any of them. you have to decide what creates the sound you really desire. hope this helped some, mitchfit Thank you kindly. |
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 15, 2024 8:03:01 GMT
What do folks use to get a bit of grunt / drive if anything? I tend do go directly into PA up to now and occasionally I think the songs could do with a bit of grunt / warm distortion. The fender smolder is damn pricey. If I were looking for a bit of warm distortion, or grunt, I would use an electric guitar plugged into a small valve/tube amp. Nothing can do that sound better. If I was looking for a sound like Bukka White, Mark Knopfler, Jerry Douglas or Son House, I would use a resonator guitar because nothing can do that sound better. Resonator guitars trying to sound like electric guitars just don't do it for me because they don't work as well, even in the hands of someone like Chris Whitley or John Campbell, who I think probably started this way of using them. That is just my opinion as an old timer that loves what resonator guitars do and loves what electric guitars do. The best overdrive valve warm distortion pedal around is probably the Origin Effects Revival Drive Compact. I have one that I used on some recordings and it is superb. Shine On Michael. |
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Post by richclough on Apr 15, 2024 19:30:55 GMT
I prefer to avoid digital effects where poss and don’t really have space for an amp.
I’ve recently finished putting my ‘pedalboard of the gods’ together…dirt wise I use the following.
Fuzz - Stone Deaf PDF 2
OD - Marshall Guvnor Reissue
Preamp - Effectrode Blackbird (can taste test different valves so easily)
(Running into a ADA Amp sim box)
For me these are amongst best in class - have tried a lot.
All are worth a listen. The DSM & Humboldt Simplifier and various Sansamp boxes also get good reports.
Hope that helps!
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Post by delab on Apr 15, 2024 19:51:31 GMT
A pedal I’v e quite some success with is the Ceriatone Centura…. A klon type pedal. It’s pretty much an always ‘on’ pedal with the gain set really low. For more grunt or a little dirt just raise the gain to around 11.30. A very pleasing sound which doesn’t change the sound of the guitar a great deal/ if at all.
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Post by delab on Apr 15, 2024 19:52:14 GMT
A pedal I’ve had quite some success with is the Ceriatone Centura…. A klon type pedal. It’s pretty much an always ‘on’ pedal with the gain set really low. For more grunt or a little dirt just raise the gain to around 11.30. A very pleasing sound which doesn’t change the sound of the guitar a great deal/ if at all. |
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Post by leeophonic on Apr 16, 2024 11:33:11 GMT
Pedals are another Rabbit hole, Michael could do a whole section devoted to them and we would still be posting, it is another nothing better only different debate on all of them.
Regards
Lee
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 16, 2024 19:50:07 GMT
what Lee said. the suggestions above are only what the owners have liked, or perhaps what was not ideal to them as my thoughts on fuzz face, EQ as distortion or tube pedals regarding what MY ears wanna hear.
along those lines richclough's suggestion for Effectrode Blackbird may be worth looking into if the third valve is used as the (very low wattage) power valve and the other two as a preamp. this way an actual output tube saturation may sound very close to what my ears want. couldn't determine for sure if that's true about circuit from reading owners manual online.
consider testing what got mentioned above live in a [worthwhile] brick and mortar music store as all posters may not have similar likes to your's. buy >something< from them even if you didn't like the the audition. it is to your benefit they remain in business.
if i were looking down upon the planet from above the north pole i'd say the world spins in a counter clock wise rotation. if you were doing the same from above the south pole you would think i was so-o-o full of it my eyes were turning brown.
who's right?
before Jimi, feed back was generally considered very unwanted noise.
mitchfit
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Post by bonzo on Apr 16, 2024 22:08:35 GMT
Think Townsend and Davies might give you an argument there! 🎸🎸🎸
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 16, 2024 23:20:49 GMT
bonzo,
you make a valid point.
still they did not even come close to the extent of both versions of Voodoo Chile, Third Stone From the Sun or Pali Gap did?
mitchfit
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Post by bonzo on Apr 17, 2024 5:42:08 GMT
You're correct of course mitchfit.
But we know Jimi did a lot of clubbing when he first came to London and became influenced by the British music scene......
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Post by richclough on Apr 17, 2024 7:19:42 GMT
What do folks use to get a bit of grunt / drive if anything? I tend do go directly into PA up to now and occasionally I think the songs could do with a bit of grunt / warm distortion. The fender smolder is damn pricey. What’s the ‘context of grunt’ here? I’ve just looked up the Smoulder pedal and it looks interesting, but is acoustic/piezo focussed. What kind of guitar/pickup is going into the PA and are you aiming for a particular sound? Personally I only use dirt on acoustic where I’m using a magnetic sound hole pickup and the pedals I mentioned above are in that context. I do know that plugging a piezo acoustic into a OD pedal into a PA will sound fizzy and horrible. But, I’ve never tried the Smoulder… |
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Post by littlebobby on Apr 17, 2024 7:49:22 GMT
What do folks use to get a bit of grunt / drive if anything? I tend do go directly into PA up to now and occasionally I think the songs could do with a bit of grunt / warm distortion. The fender smolder is damn pricey. What’s the ‘context of grunt’ here? I’ve just looked up the Smoulder pedal and it looks interesting, but is acoustic/piezo focussed. What kind of guitar/pickup is going into the PA and are you aiming for a particular sound? Personally I only use dirt on acoustic where I’m using a magnetic sound hole pickup and the pedals I mentioned above are in that context. I do know that plugging a piezo acoustic into a OD pedal into a PA will sound fizzy and horrible. But, I’ve never tried the Smoulder… A Messer 36 with a sixtus humbucker. Want to have the option to add a bit of Chicago grunt / growl. Cheaper than buying an old fender or vox valve amp. |
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Post by richclough on Apr 17, 2024 18:25:35 GMT
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