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Post by slide496 on Dec 1, 2022 14:23:39 GMT
Hi All,
Recently there was a thread on tuning to A432 as an alternate to A440, and I've been working on several acoustic pieces in open D (vestapol) - one is John Henry, the Mcdowell version, and this one below, a study of Guitar Rag. MM was kind enough several years ago to go over the piece with me which helped enormously and I've been working on it developing the skills to play it as I had avoided songs with full bar until this.
I did not do a comparison between an A440 version and the A432 as it'a subtle difference in tone, but I did notice that the balance harmonically is quieter and more even overall, it was easier for me to put aside working to avoid a hot B string, or a strident high e on the 12th fret. Didn't find A432 a global solution though, and I didn't like it in Spanish (open G), standard or on my electric guitars tuned to vestapol.
Best,
Harriet
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 1, 2022 16:43:22 GMT
Harriet, You sound really good playing this piece. Excellent!
Shine On
Michael
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Post by stevie2sticks on Dec 1, 2022 16:58:00 GMT
sounds really good Harriet
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Post by slide496 on Dec 1, 2022 19:29:03 GMT
Harriet, You sound really good playing this piece. Excellent! Shine On Michael Hi Michael, Former student saying thank you for helping her with Guitar Rag several years ago!!! My Best, Harriet |
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Post by lonelyjelly on Dec 1, 2022 20:28:04 GMT
That's awesome, Harriet. Beautiful. Reminds me a bit of Lena Hughes.
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 1, 2022 20:30:03 GMT
I had forgotten that we spent an enjoyable couple of hours a few years ago working on Guitar Rag. You are playing it very well with a nice feel and good tempo. Lovely!
Using the Internet for one-to-one tuition works really well, but as Harriet and I discovered when we first started doing the lessons, both parties have to get used to using the camera to both people's advantage and learning how best to teach and to learn. It really is a two way thing, in some ways more so that being in the same room together.
Shine On
Michael.
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Post by mitchfit on Dec 1, 2022 23:06:01 GMT
Harriet,
..."I did not do a comparison between an A440 version and the A432 as it'a subtle difference in tone"...
could not tell much difference with Hz switch here either, but truly think there may be a possibility parts of my body besides the ears might be able to and aren't relaying the message well.
different people have different responces as proven by all the adverse reaction warnings that come with medicine prescriptions that work well for most users?
To Wit--am sure there are people here who like heavy metal, but to avoid controversy will withhold my personal opinions.
BELOW DOC WATSON DOES A VARIATION THAT INCLUDES A BREAK @ 12th FRET. if it appeals to you, not much extra to learn:
mitchfit
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 2, 2022 9:04:35 GMT
I love Doc & Merle Watson's music, they both had a unique feel and tone.
That version of Steel Guitar Rag is based on the Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys recording, which is an absolute masterpiece. Sadly, much like some of the bands in the 60s that claimed ownership of unknown material, Leon McAuliffe "thought" he wrote it and so do most steel guitarists around the world. That aside, as with everything they recorded, it is a brilliant and beautiful arrangement.
When I play the Guitar Rag I put Leon's swing riffs in at the 12th and 7th fret, it just adds a little spice!
This of course is the original by Sylvester Weaver. It is a beautiful thing and we are all very lucky that he recorded it.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by mitchfit on Dec 2, 2022 20:14:06 GMT
below, the Rolling Stones covering a Waylon Jennings tune.
if you believe that, i've gotta bridge for sale. just pick the one you desire, they all belong to me!
[if it wasn't unavoidable that at some point before the big dirt nap i will see another mirror, would make a disparaging remark about how old they were in 2005]
mitchfit
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 2, 2022 21:06:14 GMT
It's a great song by Waylon and also by the Rolling Stones, who are an excellent country band, courtesy of their friendship with Gram Parsons, among others. My brother, Alan, knew Waylon quite well and of the many photos he took of him, this one stands out.  Waylon Jennings taken at Nashville Palace, Nashville, Tennessee - October 1977
Printed and signed by photographer, Alan Messer
Image copyright Alan Messer © 2020
All Rights Reserved.Oh...and back to the Guitar Rag. Here is one of the great the pedal steel masters, Buddy Emmons, playing the Steel Guitar Rag in 1981 This is a great thread, it twists and turns, but kind of stays on track! Shine On Michael |
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Post by slide496 on Dec 2, 2022 21:28:42 GMT
Hi Mitchfit,
You suggested a portion of a Doc Watson version of Guitar Rag, and MM did bring up the Bob Wills, but as I had my heart set on studying the Sylvester Weaver version I decided not to consider other versions as then it wouldn't be a study of Sylvester Weaver's Guitar Rag.
I think, but I could be wrong, coming up with your own version or cover is a different sort of project and process and I may well be inspired by this thread to do that ... but ... maybe not in A432.
Harriet
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Post by chromatic on Dec 5, 2022 11:16:33 GMT
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Post by mitchfit on Dec 5, 2022 20:31:15 GMT
Harriet,
have listened to a couple of pro 432Hz hours-long videos since posting last. feel prone to point out that it doesn't matter how you are tuned, melodies that make elevator Muzak seem lively will usually end up being soothing overall. maybe even hypnotic?
the opposite should also be true, Zeppelin's "Friends" should still feel edgy if tuned/sang @432?
one way of polling the entire forum would be if you go ahead upload another audio track of the same song, the same way, now that you have tuned back to 440Hz.
let the members decide. detractors might rightfully say this is not very scientific. realists will say we don't have the funding to be very scienterrific at our disposal.
..."maybe not in A432"... practicality prevents much tuner wear and time saved to play along with others and/or recordings. as pointed out by someone else in previous incarnation of this thread, i don't even have an electronic or analog tuner here that would work for the different Hz.
luckily, my lack of perfect pitch was free...
also, consider what switching the standard back to just 8/100ths less would co$t in the long run. it is one thing to have an automobile speedometer read out in kilometers AND miles per hour. that would solve my tuner problem. changing ALL of the speed regulation and destination distance signs along the roadway could get really spendy. then, it would be needed to transcribe all the maps and law book regulations.
this is likely the main reason why the standard will never go back.
mitchfit
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Post by mitchfit on Dec 5, 2022 20:38:11 GMT
oh yeah, then how are we gonna re-tune the brass and woodwinds instruments in the orchestra?
mitchfit
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