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Post by bobabooie on Dec 11, 2021 14:28:23 GMT
Can anyone help me track down a replacement cone for my Honey Dipper resonator guitar? The model is G9202 and I’m not getting any help from Gretsch. Thanks in advance for any help. Also, I’m new to this forum and just learning how to navigate through the various topics. Very informative from what I’ve already seen.
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Post by pete1951 on Dec 11, 2021 14:57:20 GMT
I guess you have the guitar in bits? If so can you take a photo of the cone?
There have been several Honey dippers needing new cones on the forum. Was it being played very hard , get crushed in it’s case or what?
Pete
Hobgoblin music did stock cones but are out of stock at the moment.
Gretsch should be helping, they must have had to replace cones under guarantee , keep pestering them!
Some forum members will have changed or upgraded cones ( NRP make good but expensive ones , ‘Continental’ are a good Chinese cone ) so there may be someone with a spare.
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 11, 2021 15:23:10 GMT
Hi bobabooie,
Welcome to our forum.
Sadly, Gretsch in the UK do not carry or supply any spares for their instruments, so you re on your own.
Pete is correct about what is available. A Continental cone is the nearest to what's in there any present.
Why do you need to replace it. Can we see a photo or two?
Shine On
Michael
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 16:21:47 GMT
I've had a Honeydipper and Honeydipper Special (G9202) and never had problems with the cones, but I've noticed on other forums, that there are often problems. Have a look at the thread from the AGF - it seems that - 1 the cone is not covered by the warranty 2 Gretsch cannot supply replacements (so much for their "Ampli-Sonic™" diaphragm resonator cone!) 3 the Beard and Replogle 9.5 cones are recommended to Americans - presumably the Continental is also OK. www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453576 |
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Post by bobabooie on Dec 11, 2021 17:07:38 GMT
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Post by bobabooie on Dec 11, 2021 17:36:13 GMT
Just to add to my last post, the cone wasn’t banged, I don’t think it’s been crushed in the case or played that hard. I do think it may have to do with my choice of strings(heavy gauge) and tuning (E), who knows. Maybe not installing the strings properly could be another problem. I usually install new strings one at a time but I’m again not sure if this could be the reason for the cone issue. What started this whole thing was me trying to convert the guitar to a lefty for my son. I’ve already purchased a lefty nut from Graph Tech and I’m just waiting for it to arrive. Hopefully before Christmas. He has wanted a resonator for the longest time but lefties are hard to come by and so the conversion. Just for fun I was checking the intonation on the twelfth fret when I noticed the buzz and then noticed that the biscuit was cockeyed. I read some posts on this forum and decided to join. Great forum! I can’t wait to hear what you guys think about what I’ve done so far and what I’d like to do. Thank you.
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 11, 2021 17:46:11 GMT
As far as I can see there is nothing wrong with that cone at all. It just needs putting back together and returning to the guitar. If there is a problem, it is not coming from the cone. Heavy-ish gauge strings, depending on what you call heavy, in E tuning should be fine. Something like 13 15 26 36 46 56 are fine. I would not tune 16 18 27 39 49 59 to E on that guitar, not because they would crush the cone, but because they would choke the sound.
Oh and that cone is a basic generic AXL Continental cone. As far as I know, there is no such thing and an Ampli-Sonic™, apart from in Mr Gretsch's publicity blurb.
With single cone resonator guitars, whether National or Dobro style, there is no such thing as a left-handed model. All they do is flip the biscuit/bridge round and fit a left-handed nut.
To understand the problem we need to see this guitar reassembled with a set of strings on it. Maybe video would help us to understand and to advise you.
Thank you for your kind words about the forum. We've been here for eighteen years and it's still growing.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by bobabooie on Dec 11, 2021 18:51:25 GMT
Before I opened the cover to look at the cone, I looked at the biscuit position by eying down the guitar. It did look slightly slanted toward the heavier string side. The strings only buzzed on the 3 lowest strings, maybe even the fourth a bit, but not the two high strings. After altering the biscuit on the cone(rotating it 180 degrees) it does look like it’s oriented flatter if that makes any sense. I just purchased a set of resophonic strings by John Pearce and have yet to install them. I’ll let you guys know how it turn out.
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Post by bonzo on Dec 11, 2021 19:43:59 GMT
Hi Bob welcome to the forum.
Out of left field I know, but are the slots on the bridge cut to deeply or unevenly?
Ps. If the biscuit is uneven forget wot I sed! But it may also be an optical illusion.
Think I've grabbed at all the straws! 😊🎸👍
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Post by pete1951 on Dec 11, 2021 19:44:40 GMT
The cones don’t look too bad at the moment, I guess the ‘dip’ was more noticeable before you reshaped it?. Done gently using a round ended tool , cones can be brought back to life.
You say it still buzzes, is this fret buzz because the action is still lower than it should be, or a buzz from the cone?
Pete
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Post by bobabooie on Dec 11, 2021 20:43:57 GMT
Hello Pete. I’m not sure if it still buzzes because I haven’t restrung it since I rotated the biscuit. It certainly was cockeyed before rotating the biscuit and it does seem to be sitting flatter now, I just need to put the strings on and test her out. The reason I’m delaying is because I was hoping to get the left handed nut and just restring it after swapping the nuts. The grooves in the saddle seem fine and not too deep. I really think it was the small depression in the cone where the saddle was sitting. I believe it was enough to lower that saddle and the strings and cause that buzz. As soon as I get the nut swapped out I’ll let the boy run her through some some test licks. Man it’s windy here today! I’m in Ontario and they’ve been calling for this for a few days now. Windy and 16 Celsius. CRAZY WEATHER! Anyway, I’ll keep you guys notified as to how it turns out after I get it restrung. Thanks for all your input!
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Post by pete1951 on Dec 11, 2021 21:55:58 GMT
Most new guitars have nuts that are a little high, this usually means you can get away with changing the hand of the nut without removing it. . If the nut has been cut as low as possible then a new nut is needed.
Pete
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Post by bobabooie on Dec 12, 2021 15:01:37 GMT
Just a quick update for you guys who helped me with my cone issue. I was intending to wait for the new left handed nut to arrive before I restrung this guitar but I have absolutely zero patience and decided to restring it this morning. Put a new set of D’Addario resophonic strings on her, tuned to open d and voila, good as new! No buzzing! Thanks again for your support. You guys have a great forum. I’ll let you all know how the right to left swap goes.
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