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Post by pete1951 on Sept 11, 2020 10:54:37 GMT
Wise words from Michael, a guitar amp colours the sound, this is why electric guitars are rarely put straight into the PA. (through a PA sound can be used but most electric players would not swop their Fender or Marshall for a channel on the desk) so it’s back to mics or piezo. I did use an old Macintyre (McIntyre?) transducer on a tricone, which , through a preamp, didn’t sound to bad. This was before they changed to a strip style. The ‘bottle cap’ shaped piezo stuck to the t-bridge with non-setting putty. Pete
Actually I like the sound of a reso with a magnetic pickup though a (fairly clean) valve amp, but it is a different tone to the acoustic sound, which, if you have an expensive guitar, is the sound you should be getting,
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Post by gaucho on Sept 11, 2020 18:26:36 GMT
Hi Rosantu. I maybe wrong about this but you can check it out yourself. I use a Lace ultra simline on a MM lightning with good results. I think the Lace and the National Resophonic pu are the same. I'm pretty sure that it has been discussed here. Maybe easier to get hold of one. That being said I personally think the MM Sixtus pu to be the equal of them and a lot less expensive. Hope this helps. Don't want to mislead anyone so please let me know if I'm wrong about Lace and National pu's being the same except for branding. Best wishes to you all, John The Lace Ultraslim isn't the same as the Slimline. The National Slimline is actually not as "tall". Tone wise, I don't know...
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Post by bonzo on Sept 11, 2020 18:47:15 GMT
Hi Gaucho, you are quite right. Looked up the old thread from 2016 and there you were! Lots of pu's being discussed, some still around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 20:41:41 GMT
Seems like a good place to ask this question...someone gave me a used Baggs Lyric Acoustic Microphone system. Aside from the probable volume control mounting issue, is this usable in a resonator? Thanks
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Post by snakehips on Sept 11, 2020 23:25:40 GMT
Hi again !
If you want to amplify a National at home, my questions are these : 1. You NEED to amplify your National at home ??? Seriously ? They are plenty loud acoustically ! 2. Do you live in St Paul’s Cathedral, or somewhere as big as that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 1:58:17 GMT
I will admit it was mostly an academic question since I am not a performer, but there are such instruments as the resolectric, and lesser quality reso’s that employ some type of pickup...and clearly there are inquiries about amplification of the tamer tricones. So I think it was a fair question. But it is amusing when SH (a player I greatly admire) gets agitated...
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Post by Bottleneck John on Sept 12, 2020 7:08:35 GMT
The Amistar original tricone pickup is under the T-bridge glued into an epoxy filling. Hard to remove or repair.
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Post by pete1951 on Sept 12, 2020 7:32:07 GMT
Hi again ! If you want to amplify a National at home, my questions are these : 1. You NEED to amplify your National at home Seriously ? They are plenty loud acoustically ! 2. Do you live in St Paul’s Cathedral, or somewhere as big as that? Well, yes SH is right to question why, I think I may have a reason (or at least an excuse) for needing a pickup for home use. That is home recordings, a pickup rather than a mic would give you a sound un-diluted with car and children playing ball games.
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Post by Michael Messer on Sept 12, 2020 8:00:07 GMT
Seems like a good place to ask this question...someone gave me a used Baggs Lyric Acoustic Microphone system. Aside from the probable volume control mounting issue, is this usable in a resonator? Thanks Hi Fred, Back in the old days I went through a period of using PZM mics in my resophonic guitars. PZMs were made by Realistic and marketed in the UK by Tandy and in the US by Radio Shack. It was okay, but by today's standards it was pretty awful. I also tried various other tie-clip type mics and they were okay...but. I don't think any mic inside a resophonic guitar can work properly because it is just too close, like having your ear inside, rather than out front. I know of a few Dobro players, Rob Ickes for example, that uses a condenser on a goose-neck attached to his Dobro, but that is a whole different thing, it's just a mic attached to the guitar. My opinion, based on a calculated guess, is that it will work, but not well enough to be an acceptable way of amplifying a National, or National-style instrument. www.ebay.co.uk/i/284006463767?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=284006463767&targetid=938697916046&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1006584&poi=&campaignid=10195652867&mkgroupid=107296310052&rlsatarget=pla-938697916046&abcId=1145987&merchantid=6995734&gclid=CjwKCAjw4_H6BRALEiwAvgfzq4ArZXdUICNpr5Q9CsC2D28W-Q-StsKWzCrHEL8Qd5QRtRf1LGHKexoCIfsQAvD_BwEThese were fantastic mics for recording, but not put to their best use stuck inside my Tricone! At the time everyone had a few PZMs as they were such great mics. I remember recording a session at the BBC in 1987 and as well as various Neumanns, there was a pair of PZMs picking p the room sound. Shine On Michael
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Post by Michael Messer on Sept 12, 2020 8:02:45 GMT
The Amistar original tricone pickup is under the T-bridge glued into an epoxy filling. Hard to remove or repair. Hi Johan, I mentioned this earlier in the thread. It was just a regular piezo and the sound was really not good enough for proper professional use >IMHO. Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 13:17:02 GMT
Thanks Michael, and others, for your comments. As I read more about the Lyric system, i will be better-served by installing it in a dreadnought type of guitar. And I agree that a quality National guitar is served best by a regular external microphone. I was looking at the internal microphone (or piezo) to generate a raw non-traditional overdriven hybrid reso tone...installed in something like a Highway 61 guitar...i cant think of many examples of where I have heard such a tone...maybe the best being the resolectric on Stones in my Passway by John Mellencamp.
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Post by calvoi on Sept 12, 2020 13:38:52 GMT
Anyone experimenting with a looper would need to amplify.
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Post by bonzo on Sept 12, 2020 15:41:16 GMT
Hi Fred, my Republic Highway 61 is about the loudest and resoeist of all my guitars! The reason I amplify my guitars is so I can hear myself playing, and to be able to use all the gadgetery I can't resist collecting! MM nailed it and most of us know, the only way to get the true reso sound is with a microphone. I use a microphone with my Duolians. Having said that, you can get some great sounds from a reso using a decent pickup. It may not be the pure sound you're going to get with a microphone, but you can get some unique sounds going. Best wishes to all, John
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Post by Bottleneck John on Sept 12, 2020 18:39:36 GMT
The Amistar original tricone pickup is under the T-bridge glued into an epoxy filling. Hard to remove or repair. Hi Johan, I mentioned this earlier in the thread. It was just a regular piezo and the sound was really not good enough for proper professional use >IMHO. Shine On Michael Ok, no harm in mentioning it a few times. I feel the tone in the original Amistar piezo sounds just like any other piezo. Mixed with a microphone like 70/30% it works for an ok amplified reso tone on stage, on it's own, it sounds piezo, haha! :-)
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Post by snakehips on Sept 12, 2020 19:03:02 GMT
Thanks Michael, and others, for your comments. As I read more about the Lyric system, i will be better-served by installing it in a dreadnought type of guitar. And I agree that a quality National guitar is served best by a regular external microphone. I was looking at the internal microphone (or piezo) to generate a raw non-traditional overdriven hybrid reso tone...installed in something like a Highway 61 guitar...i cant think of many examples of where I have heard such a tone...maybe the best being the resolectric on Stones in my Passway by John Mellencamp. I think you will find that Stones In My Passway was not by John Meloncamp as it was record recorded by Robert Johnson, way back in the 1930’s
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