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Post by budha on Oct 10, 2019 11:04:46 GMT
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Post by richclough on Oct 10, 2019 11:44:39 GMT
I saw the same thing a couple of years back on a second-hand NRP tricone guitar for sale in Frailers in Runcorn. The fault was in the same position i.e. on the heel adjoining the metal body of the guitar.
The owner said that NRP had had some problems with the varnish (water based, non water-based?) used on the necks and had since changed to a different product.
Frailers are an NRP stockist so should know what they are talking about. It makes sense that the two guitars above were dated within a year of each other.
Regards,
Rich
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Post by leeophonic on Oct 10, 2019 12:13:26 GMT
What have NRP said??? they offer good customer service & advice and support.
Lee
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Post by bonzo on Oct 10, 2019 12:34:48 GMT
Hi Budha, I would say it's poor adhesion of the finish, probably because of poor preparation. If you're worried about it happening on your guitars in the future rather than it being a problem now I don't think you need to. As mentioned earlier it was probably a problem sorted out awhile ago. Damage like this can be 'touched up' quite easily, I'm sure many of us have done so with good results.
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by budha on Oct 10, 2019 12:42:45 GMT
Thank you everyone for the information. If a common problem, perhaps a previous owner of my NRP took care of the finish problem sometime in the past. It is in great shape at this point.
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Post by catsmiler on Oct 10, 2019 12:57:16 GMT
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Post by washboardchris on Oct 10, 2019 16:03:52 GMT
Not only Gibson, I had a Martin OM18V which had the same problem.I took it to a friend who makes his living spraying modern furniture & restoring antique. he said that it can be a problem with water based finishes. I didnt mind as I got the guitar for a fraction of the value. I can understand why they made the law but i dont think it worked as well (a bit like non lead solder as apposed to leaded )
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Post by rbe on Oct 10, 2019 16:54:27 GMT
It was not a preparation problem. It was a material problem that affected many instrument manufacturers using the same materials. It was a well know finish supplier to the guitar trade for a very, very, long time, that had a bad run of material. They went out of business not long after the problem arose.
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Post by budha on Oct 10, 2019 20:06:24 GMT
Thank you for the link. There was also another link with the above link. Lots of detailed information. Thanks to everyone for the discussion and the information. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 20:15:49 GMT
I have the same problem with a tricone neck I purchased from NRP. Can someone tell us if it is lacquer or poly? Poly not easy to touch up, not sure about water-based lacquer...nothing is easier to touch up than nitro lacquer...
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Post by creolian on Oct 10, 2019 23:01:21 GMT
I have the same problem with a tricone neck I purchased from NRP. Can someone tell us if it is lacquer or poly? Poly not easy to touch up, not sure about water-based lacquer...nothing is easier to touch up than nitro lacquer... I have seen it posted ( i think here, maybe pete ?) that said its urethane... water based and not too happy about it if ircc. Ive never liked the stuff and it would not surprise me in that NRP guitars are made in california which has some ridiculou$$$ enviornmental laws when it comes to spraying VOCs. The stuff is becoming common because of its environmental friendliness. www.moorfloorfinishes.co.uk/product/waterthane-super-100-floor-seal-varnish-6My delphi had the same issue. Much worse. I have removed the finish. I assume from its player condition and the finish that it probably got baked a few times in a car during summer. I plan on sanding it a bit, leaving it raw and maybe waxed. |
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Post by budha on Oct 15, 2019 9:56:16 GMT
Original poster here. I noticed there are two dates painted inside my NRP with the National Guitars assembly supervisor's signature (Scott Stanley). One date is in 2009, the other is 2018. I contacted National Guitars to find out what work had been performed on my guitar in 2018. They reported the neck had been refinished in their shop in 2018. Now I understand why the neck on my guitar looks so new.
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I attached pictures of two different National NRP neck heals (2009 & 2010). Any thoughts on what may have caused these issues with the finish on these two guitars. I have a new to me 2009 green NRP and would like to avoid having this same problem show up on the neck of my NRP. My gut feeling is these two finish failures are a result of poor surface prep during the neck finish process. Thank you for any thoughts or opinions.
