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Post by davey on Jul 12, 2019 12:34:57 GMT
Whilst I'm learning to play lap style, I've got one Dobro in GBDGBD and the other in plain open D so I can do a few songs which I already know.
However, open D minor sounds gorgeous but I can't think of very much to play in it. Skip James is out as I can't do fretting.
Any suggestions gratefully received, songs particularly. Isn't it funny that most Blues is in Major keys ?
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Jul 12, 2019 13:18:51 GMT
Davey, I do this one in G min.
Guitar tuned to D min and play it around the fifth "fret" (G min)
....watch it from 3.20
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 13:30:44 GMT
I do Glory Box in open Dmin.
TT
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 12, 2019 19:39:18 GMT
Emin7th chord is E, G, B, D, so G, B, D, is basically Emin7, with the root left off, I play a lot of Emin stuff in open G , you just have to make sure there is a bass player /2nd guitar doing E
Pete
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Post by rpsayles on Jul 16, 2019 6:57:33 GMT
Hi
I highly recommend learning to get comfortable with bar slants which open up the minor chord options in a major key nicely. Open D is a great tuning for getting the hang of this and you can suddenly go beyond three chord blues.
There are many skip james licks you can recreate in any tuning and indeed it's a great exercise to play voicings and progressions in different keys to that that you are tuned to. Try playing a blues progression in G while being tuned in D for instance.
Another option is to imply the minor third in licks as you play a progression rather the play the chord as a block.
Also develop your own voice by composing in D minor and not being concerned with songs you can learn. Make your own. š
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 8:44:40 GMT
This is in Em but you need to be a good singer.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 16, 2019 8:57:13 GMT
I think an understanding of a little music theory could be helpful here.
E minor is the relative minor of G, so if you play a G scale from E to E, rather than from G to G, you are playing in E minor. This of course is the same in all keys. So another example -> A minor is the relative minor of the key of C. So playing a C scale from A to A, rather than C to C, gives you A minor.
In G tuning it is wonderful to play a tune in E minor that has a G major section, which is not uncommon in American folk, or "Americana" as it is now called. It really jumps up a gear when you go into the G major section.
I do use minor tunings too. My "Shine On" is played in F Minor (G minor down a tone). I also use D minor sometimes, but mostly I get all minor scales and chords out of high bass G major tuning, which with two major thirds (GBDGBD) is very major.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by bod on Jul 16, 2019 11:32:05 GMT
..... a tune in E minor that has a G major section, which is not uncommon in American folk, or "Americana" as it is now called. It really jumps up a gear when you go into the G major section. .... Shine On Michael Iād like to listen to some (good) examples of what Michael is describing here - can anyone point me to any? Thanks |
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Post by rpsayles on Jul 16, 2019 12:28:20 GMT
Hi
Scales are tools to help create music.
Keys are a way of describing music. I believe Daveys post is concerning minor keys.
While playing E to E in G major does produce an E minor scale it doesn't address playing in the key of Em which often includes chords not found in the above scale.
Particularly a major and often altered chord 5 (V) an example would be St James Infirmary which in Em would have a B7 (BD#F#A) rather than D natural (Bm).
It's more helpful to see E to E in G major as the E Aeolian scale and learn about minor scales and keys in their own right.
Best wishes
RP
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Post by tokyo on Jul 16, 2019 13:08:26 GMT
For me i like a Dm version of " dark was the night ...but played in open D not Dm, fret only the F sharp at the 11th fret sort of sets the tone ditto the 4th and 5th chord thats after some slow moody single treble string slides,I may be telling me granny how to suck eggs here ...
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Post by davey on Jul 16, 2019 14:54:28 GMT
Thanks folks, lots to study here. I'll try and figure out playing in Em from GDBGDB and see where it goes.
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Post by washboardchris on Jul 16, 2019 17:06:11 GMT
Hi, I like open G minor ,2nd string down half a tone , that way you can get a major with a half tone bend behind the bar
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Post by gaucho on Jul 17, 2019 16:17:27 GMT
Davey, I do this one in G min. Guitar tuned to D min and play it around the fifth "fret" (G min) ....watch it from 3.20 Is that guy playing a lap steel in the Spanish position? I thought I was the only one doing that! Not because it's a "skill" but rather due to a lack of skill. I can play my National Chicagoian very well in the spanish position, not so well across my lap.... |
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Jul 17, 2019 16:20:45 GMT
Michael should be along in a minute. He will explain all.......  |
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 17, 2019 16:21:17 GMT
Is that guy playing a lap steel in the Spanish position? I thought I was the only one doing that! Not because it's a "skill" but rather due to a lack of skill. I can play my National Chicagoian very well in the spanish position, not so well across my lap.... It may well be a guitar version of the more famous Ricky lap steel. Pete |
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