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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 14, 2019 20:47:22 GMT
For me I can sometimes envisage colour listening to the classics. White for Sibelius 'Finlandia' and emerald for Debussy's 'La Mer' or indigo for Holst's 'Planets'. And please don't ask what planet I'm on. A symposium of eminent psychiatrists couldn't answer that one. Where do you get your pizza by the way Michael? Pizza Hut don't do fly agaric toppings. I am finding this thread very interesting. Graeme, do you only envisage colours when listening to classical music and if so, why do you think that is? I don't listen to Western classical music unless I happen to be in a room where it is playing. I don't own any western classical recordings. I have been to a few performances, but it is really not my turn on. I was treated very badly at school by music teachers and that in turn led to me completely walking away from Western classical music. So with my very broad taste in music which encompasses music from all over the world and from right through the history of recorded music, I do have a massive area that I do not listen to. The Amadeus Quartet were friends of my wife's family. I saw them do a house concert many years ago, which I have to say was totally brilliant. I don't remember any colours, but it was an extraordinary mesmerising experience. I listen to Indian classical music quite a lot these days, which I am learning more and more about and I really love it. But that is a completely different thing to Western classical, because it is improvised. So in essence, it is closer to jazz than it is to what we know of as classical music. Shine On Michael |
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Post by mitchfit on Mar 15, 2019 0:01:14 GMT
Copied from: www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/beethoven-really-deaf-wrote-music-2/The Middle Period starts right around the time Beethoven’s decline in hearing was becoming severe and ends just before the 1820s when he was presumed to be totally deaf. This period is characterised by lower notes, with the number of high notes he used dropping significantly. As you can probably guess, since high notes were giving him trouble, he switched to lower notes so that he could better hear the music he was creating. Compositions like the Moonlight sonata, the opera Fidelio, and six symphonies, among others, were written during the Middle Period The Late Period starts just before 1820. During this time, his music switched back to including more high notes. If he wasn’t already fully deaf at the start of this period, he was likely close to it. The reintroduction of higher pitched notes suggest that he was resolved to “listening” with his inner ear rather than actually hearing the music he was creating. One of Beethoven’s biggest accomplishments during the Late Period was the composition of the Ninth Symphony, which he began working on in 1822 and was first performed in 1824. There is a popular story that Beethoven conducted this symphony, and kept on conducting even after the players had finished as he couldn’t hear the applause behind him nor that the music had stopped. Beyond his eyes working just fine, allowing him to see (even if only peripherally) that the musicians had stopped, this seems unlikely, at least the way the story is commonly stated. If he was indeed conducting, he would have needed to have the music timed perfectly in his head, and if he didn’t, this would have made him a nearly useless conductor. Unsurprisingly given his deafness and the importance of timing in conducting, most historians think that he merely assisted the actual conductor on stage, but did not conduct himself. Whatever the case, it was reported that he received a standing ovation. mitchfit |
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Post by mitchfit on Mar 15, 2019 1:38:23 GMT
Strongly suspect that music comes from interaction of the subconscious mind in unison with what western beliefs call “soul”.
Other than anecdotal occurrences, can present no real ~evidence~ to prove that belief.
The onliest drugs itself gravitated toward back in the day which were stronger than merely burning a good lefty were those which could >overcome the barrier between conscious and subconscious brain functions<. [My “injun” DNA just loved cactus heads] The accelerate and slow down offerings had less than zero appeal. When prescribed pain medication, all the leftovers get consumed by my wife when no longer needed here. Booze is just outta the question except a beer or two with spicy food groups.
Again, nothing that proves that can be cited, but ask yourself this; have you ever had to get up at “X” time with no alarm clock to assist? Myself and others I have known can/could do this when an important need was driving the action somewhat closely. [+ or – 15ish minutes]
how does the subconscious mind accomplish this impressive task? I know my conscious mind can not do the same within only a time frame of a few hours.
Purely conjecture here, but methinks the brain's chronometer is based on a thoughts per minute/hours escapement device. Didja ever ever burn a good'n and slip off into a relaxed daydream only to snap out of it and realize you were hours past due to an important event--just twenty minutes later?
Ever involved in a car wreck or similar traumatic event where everything got recorded in “slow motion” when it was recalled afterward?
When the subconscious mind gets the drivers wheel time becomes relative.
See: tachypsychia.
Point of the above abstract/bizarre ideas being I feel there is a lot more stored on our hard drives than our environmental based RAM programs can retrieve.
Even among “normal” people....
:^)
mitchfit
[AKA- pavlov's dawg]
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 9:59:38 GMT
For me I can sometimes envisage colour listening to the classics. White for Sibelius 'Finlandia' and emerald for Debussy's 'La Mer' or indigo for Holst's 'Planets'. And please don't ask what planet I'm on. A symposium of eminent psychiatrists couldn't answer that one. Where do you get your pizza by the way Michael? Pizza Hut don't do fly agaric toppings. I am finding this thread very interesting. Graeme, do you only envisage colours when listening to classical music and if so, why do you think that is? I don't listen to Western classical music unless I happen to be in a room where it is playing. I don't own any western classical recordings. I have been to a few performances, but it is really not my turn on. I was treated very badly at school by music teachers and that in turn led to me completely walking away from Western classical music. So with my very broad taste in music which encompasses music from all over the world and from right through the history of recorded music, I do have a massive area that I do not listen to. The Amadeus Quartet were friends of my wife's family. I saw them do a house concert many years ago, which I have to say was totally brilliant. I don't remember any colours, but it was an extraordinary mesmerising experience. I listen to Indian classical music quite a lot these days, which I am learning more and more about and I really love it. But that is a completely different thing to Western classical, because it is improvised. So in essence, it is closer to jazz than it is to what we know of as classical music. Shine On Michael Like you Michael my music teachers were narrow minded classicists.At school I once gave a talk on Cream as an end of term project,making a point of emphasising their musical pedigree and esp.Jack Bruce's classical background and fondness for Bach.While my classmates all enjoyed it the music teacher (or 'master' as they preferred to be known) looked at me as if I'd released a particularly pungent fart thus dictating my attitude to the classics for years to come. I wake up to Radio 3 and usually listen for half an hour or so before dragging myself into a new day. So today I deliberately tried to put colour to music.It only really works in the more atmospheric orchestral pieces and more often than not I end up with a blank canvas.I suppose it relates to the power of music to evoke.A lot of Weather Report's music immediately transports me to a geographical location--usually somewhere I've never actually visited ie Black Market and a Moroccan souk. I must expand my horizons re Indian classical music. I love and often listen to the Mishra brothers. From the opening sitar on 'Rag Desi-Alap' I immediately see a vivid red sunset over the Ganges and I've never been to India! I suspect Indian classical music may have the most power to induce Synesthesia. |
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Post by lacerta on Mar 15, 2019 10:01:22 GMT
Music isn't music when it leaves an instrument, it's a series of sound waves - tiny differences in air pressure, that hits your ear, which sends an electrical signal to your brain, causing a chemical to be released. Music is how your brain interprets this signal.
Colour is also a property of your brain. Light of a specific wavelength excites specific cells in your eye which sends an electrical signal to your brain, causing a chemical to be released. Colour is how your brain interprets this signal.
Most people's brains interpret these signals in very similar ways, but in some people this is different. Synesthesia is not fully understood but its likely to be some sort of "crossed wiring" where the brain interprets signals from the ear as sound and colour. There are other kinds of synesthesia too such as people who perceive touch as a smell, or hear things they see. It's likely to be a genetic condition.
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Post by tokyo on Mar 15, 2019 20:37:45 GMT
Carlos Santana always referred to notes as colours in his head maybe thats why when he is winging it his eyes are closed tighter than a knats chuff looking for the colour he wants not to mention his fave smoking compound,
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 15, 2019 22:01:46 GMT
Lacerta, that is interesting because I have experienced a form of crossed wiring, but not related to colours and music, more related activities. It's a bit hard to explain, but I get what you are saying and I think that is a good explanation. I have experienced colours and music becoming entwined, but that was many years ago and assisted by a mushroom omelette. The affect was quite dramatic.
One of the problems when talking about this type of subject and also when talking to musicians about whether they see colours or flying tuna fish when they are off into the music, is that they say what sounds cool and makes them appear to be deeper and more spiritual than a mere mortal. I am not saying that is the case with Carlos, but I have been around some strange conversations with artists, as I am sure many of us have.
That is why I love Tony Hancock's 1960s film about the art world, The Rebel, because it ridicules all that stuff, whatever it is. Most of the GREAT artists I have been around, and I mean really great, are very down to earth and not full of all that spiritual heady talk. It's like boy racers and their cars, no different.
Shine On
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 22:26:23 GMT
I'm gonna have an acid flashback at this rate!
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Post by lacerta on Mar 16, 2019 1:11:23 GMT
Lacerta, that is interesting because I have experienced a form of crossed wiring, but not related to colours and music, more related activities. It's a bit hard to explain, but I get what you are saying and I think that is a good explanation. I have experienced colours and music becoming entwined, but that was many years ago and assisted by a mushroom omelette. The affect was quite dramatic. One of the key ingredients of a mushroom omelette, and we're talking at a biochemical level, is structurally very similar to some neurotransmitter chemicals. And therefore can affect how the brain perceives external stimuli. |
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Post by joephoto on Jun 28, 2019 3:38:38 GMT
Speaking of blind, check out Rachel Flowers. One day I saw a youtube suggestion of her playing at a music trade show playing some Emerson, Lake and Palmer tune and it was incredible. She plays many instruments. My favorite clip of her is playing with Dweezil Zappa. Later in the clip she gets into a vocal DUEL with the singer (can't remember his name) and towards the end he sings this riff that cracks her up. It's a long clip but there's some incredible musical talents there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 13:09:00 GMT
I see music more like tetris actually - blocks and shapes mainly.
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Post by neillyyoung on Jun 28, 2019 22:16:13 GMT
I sometimes see Red, but then I pick up a guitar and then it’s all Blue’s.
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