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Post by washboardchris on Mar 13, 2019 17:17:07 GMT
Further to a conversation with Michael I wondered If anyone on the forum has Synesthesia (hearing music as colour) This has intrigued me for sometime.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Mar 13, 2019 17:46:09 GMT
I'm not sure Chris, but I know Tony Clarke, producer of The Moody Blues and others, really confused our little band in Wessex studios asking for sounds to be a "bit browner" or "add a bit of blue to the tone". I kind of understood what he was getting at and I was not on any chemical or herbal enhancement at the time.
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Post by Andymccann on Mar 13, 2019 18:13:18 GMT
Not music related but I see days, months and decades as colours
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Post by Stevie on Mar 13, 2019 18:15:45 GMT
Laura Nyro was famous for this. I'm not sure that it's really "synesthesia" though. Also, as someone that doesn't make any such claims, I have to be an agnostic fence straddler.
e&oe...
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 13, 2019 18:23:15 GMT
I used to see music in colour and my friends as gnomes, but that may have been the mushroom pizza affecting me.
Being serious... some of the great classical composers talked of this. Bach and Mozart I think talked about it, but they may also have been using drugs to help the creative process. I am not saying it can't exist, but I am a bit sceptical.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:04:25 GMT
For me I can sometimes envisage colour listening to the classics. White for Sibelius 'Finlandia' and emerald for Debussy's 'La Mer' or indigo for Holst's 'Planets'. And please don't ask what planet I'm on. A symposium of eminent psychiatrists couldn't answer that one. Where do you get your pizza by the way Michael? Pizza Hut don't do fly agaric toppings.
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Post by slide496 on Mar 13, 2019 20:45:26 GMT
No but I remember seeing a study of it sometime ago.
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Post by twang1 on Mar 13, 2019 22:43:10 GMT
I have a friend with perfect pitch who talks about notes as colours. Seriously...! Frank
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 13, 2019 23:31:18 GMT
From Wikipedia...
Absolute pitch (AP), widely referred to as perfect pitch, is a rare auditory phenomenon characterized by the ability of a person to identify or re-create a given musical note without the benefit of a reference tone.[1][2]
AP can be demonstrated via linguistic labeling ("naming" a note), auditory imagery,[clarification needed] or sensorimotor responses. For example, an AP possessor can accurately reproduce a heard tone on a musical instrument without "hunting" for the correct pitch.[3][4] Researchers estimate the occurrence of AP to be 1 in 10,000 people.[5]
Generally, absolute pitch implies some or all of the following abilities, achieved without a reference tone:[6]
Identify by name individual pitches (e.g. F♯, A, G, C) played on various instruments. Name the key of a given piece of tonal music. Reproduce a piece of tonal music in the correct key days after hearing it.[citation needed] Identify and name all the tones of a given chord or other tonal mass. Accurately sing a named pitch. Name the pitches of common everyday sounds such as car horns and alarms. Name the frequency of a pitch (e.g. that G♯4 is 415Hz) after hearing it. People may have absolute pitch along with the ability of relative pitch, and relative and absolute pitch work together in actual musical listening and practice, but strategies in using each skill vary.[7] Those with absolute pitch may train their relative pitch and there has been a reported case of 6 adults in China (with previous musical training) acquiring absolute pitch through specific tonal training.[8] Furthermore, two studies by Harvard and the University of Chicago have shown Valproate, a medication used to treat epilepsy and severe depression, may re-open the "critical period" of learning, making the acquisition of absolute pitch, as well as languages, potentially as efficient for adults as for children.[9] Adults who possess relative pitch but do not already have absolute pitch can also learn "pseudo-absolute pitch" and become able to identify notes in a way that superficially resembles absolute pitch.[10] Moreover, training absolute pitch can require considerable motivation, time, and effort, and learning is not retained without constant practice and reinforcement.
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Post by mitchfit on Mar 14, 2019 3:06:23 GMT
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Post by washboardchris on Mar 14, 2019 7:35:06 GMT
and just as a thought,I have a doctor who when I was commenting on how much music meant to me did not understand> said that when she heard music all she could hear was a bunch of disjointed notes & could not beat out a simple rhythm !!!
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Post by mitchfit on Mar 14, 2019 8:07:51 GMT
they used to have a video on Utube of when Steve Martin discovered he had rhythm in movie "the jerk".
she will get her chance some day...
:^) mitchfit
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Post by pete1951 on Mar 14, 2019 8:14:14 GMT
It would seem to me that being synesthemic could rather wonderful, ‘seeing’ or feeling things in such a different way to most of us, I am green with envy, Perfect pitch, on the other hand could be a curse. Often hearing things just slightly off pitch and then not being able to fully appreciate the music would make me see red, especially old blues . Pete
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Post by creolian on Mar 14, 2019 12:35:26 GMT
I dont think there's much doubt that music, emotions and color are related somewhere in the human subconscious... I can intentionally imagine music and what color it might feel like but Im glad thats not something that just happens all the time. I don't know why, but imagining heavy metal as pink is giving me a laugh this morning. Back to blues... jeff
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 14, 2019 13:45:05 GMT
I would be interested to know how blind musicians perceive sounds and emotions and whether they experience a type of synesthesia. There cannot really be colour if there has never been any vision. We are currently blessed to have musical genius Stevie Wonder, apparently with perfect pitch, living on this planet with us. I have never heard or read anything about this from him, but I 'wonder' if anyone has?
Perfect pitch occurs more in blind people that people with sight. I always believed Blind Willie McTell to have perfect pitch, but sadly alcohol got the better of him as time went by. Blind Lemon Jefferson too, also appears to have had amazing control over music.
Music can and does send me to some very deep places in my mind, but I am not sure that it ever manifests itself as actual colours. I do see colours and shapes in my mind, but I don't think I associate those with the music. Hallucinogenics bring these things to the fore and while I haven't taken anything like that for 40 years, I do believe they can help us to focus on such things.
When I am mixing music in a recording studio, the stereo image between the two speakers is almost a tangible thing to me. It does not manifest itself as colours, but it does have a type of form that allows me to visualise all the instruments and their position in the stereo image, both horizontally and with depth of field. When I listen to music away from the recording studio environment I try not to go to those places in my mind because I find myself listening to a mix, rather than a piece of music.
Interesting...
Shine On Michael.
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