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Post by rbe on Dec 31, 2018 2:47:06 GMT
If you were able to reduce the height of the saddle and string the tailpiece correctly, was user error (prior owner) the reason it was understrung? Usually, undrstringing is a cheat (and a bad one) for the neck angle being off, or a bowed neck, and the strings making poor contact with the saddle. Lowering the saddle would make it worse. I'm not clear what has transpired here.
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Post by creolian on Dec 31, 2018 13:24:18 GMT
Jeff, Kenny is right on the money. There is no question about it. The way those slots are cut is so important. The NRP Delphi has never been my favourite of their guitars, but 'tinny' is not a thing I have noticed, so before fitting the felt gasket I would really make sure you have done as much as possible setup-wise. I would be very interested to talk with the Ponderosa Stomp people! Shine On Michael. Hi Michael, all, Just to clarify, Would a gasket be something national originally installed back in the 20s 30s ? From what I can find, it seems that some models were. Coming from a background that has more to do with loudspeaker cones, I'm thinking that a good seal is part of proper cone loading. A speaker cone that is not properly loaded in its enclosure will generally sound thin, baggy and unfocused. It certainly would effect the tonal response in some sort of way. This might sound crazy, but there are some similarities. How this relates to a cone in a guitar, I dunno... Either way, The current plan is to address both the saddle and install a gasket. I have some various stock I can cut and if nothing else, with both mods I'll see what changes and learn something... eventually, I hope š³ Ill PM a little back story, booking and contact info for the Stomp. all best, jeff P.S. over the last rainy 24hrs. my aDD mind has taken me from Bonanza and the Ponderosa back to the catalog of Barney Kessel, the wrecking crew and all of the jingles repeated endlessly throughout my youth... Unfortunately now, I've got this combination of High Chaparral and the Munsters theme playing in my head. š Happy New Year !
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Post by creolian on Dec 31, 2018 13:46:54 GMT
If you were able to reduce the height of the saddle and string the tailpiece correctly, was user error (prior owner) the reason it was understrung? Usually, undrstringing is a cheat (and a bad one) for the neck angle being off, or a bowed neck, and the strings making poor contact with the saddle. Lowering the saddle would make it worse. I'm not clear what has transpired here. HI Rik, I think god created " previous owners" just to spare us all a bit of shame The understring solution is a common suggestion and I have to admit that initially my intuitive thinking was that a steep break angle meant louder, better. Understrung by the PO, I was trying tailpieces and whatever only to go in the 100% wrong direction... Nothing apparent, I can only speculate on the what and why in this case. If I had the means, I'd ship it to you as there doesn't seem to be much reso experience here. Admittedly, I've been that "previous owner" myself... more than once. * hangs head in shame All best, Jeff ps. I'll continue this and post pics after the 1st.
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Post by snakehips on Dec 31, 2018 16:30:57 GMT
Hi there !
I donāt understand all the mystery in this.
The ātall conesā are basically NRPās older cones with older alloy. They WERE the best replacements you could get, long time ago.
However, when NRP brought out their newer Hot Rod cones, that were closer in dimensions (eg. height) and tone to vintage National cones.
My own personal impression, of comparing NRPās taller/older cones with the newer Hot Rod cones, is that the Hot Rod cones sounded better overall, but different than the older ones, and less sustain than the older cones, but with more bass.
In terms of feel, I noticed a real difference between the older/taller cones, in my 1934 Duolian and another vintage National with itās original cone. The old NRP cone felt very stiff, compared to the vintage cone. Difficult to describe but the vintage cones have more ābounceā to them.
When I swapped out the older/taller cone in my 1934 Duolian, to a new Hot Rod cone, the hot rod cone had that bounce, like a vintage cone. Close enough anyway. Sure, it had less sustain but the bass was better and the bouncyness was there, compared to the older NRP cones.
My baritone National (an old Triolian body with modern neck, made by Dave King about 15yrs ago) had an older/taller NRP cone put in. After NRP introduced Hot Rod cones, I upgraded the baritone to a hotrod cone a few years later. Wow! That guitar really cooks now, since I put a hot-rod cone in !!
All things being equal, I still prefer the Hot Rod cones, and have no real desire to go back to the older/taller non-hot-rod cones.
Thus, I canāt see the interest in the older/taller non hot-rod NRP cones.
I have a few of these older ones in storage (from when I upgraded to hot-rod cones). I plan to keep them though, in case there is a real shortage of decent cones, in like 30yrs (when Iāll be 77, nearly 78yrs old !!!). I also have spare modern Beltona cones (a 9 1/2ā single cone, and a set of Tricone cones)
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