Jack white gig *phone free*

[jono1uk]

So last night I went to see Jack White play at the Hammersmith Apollo. He took the brave step in this social media obsessed society of banning mobile phones. They gave you a pouch to put it in that locked and you kept it with you.
And what a joy!! I am sure most of us remember going to a gig when mobile phones didn't exist and watching the gig!!
I love seeing the u tube footage as much as the next man, but seeing 4000 people jumping about to "seven nations army" and not trying to focus a camera was a joy!!

[Michael Messer]

That's a wonderful idea! I can't stand phone footage of gigs. A couple of weeks ago I was playing and a person in the front row had their phone in our faces for the whole night. No matter how many jokes or comments I made, it didn't make any difference. Then it is posted on social network and it's shaky and badly filmed on a phone that has bad sound. Lovely! I feel mean saying that because the person loved every second of the performance and is a very active social worker....BUT PLEASE!!!!

In the days before smart phones, big artists would employ people to go round the venue confiscating films out of cameras and cassettes out of recorders. I was in the dressing room at a Johnny Cash show in 1994 and a large carrier bag full of films and cassettes was delivered to JC who instructed the guy to destroy all of them.

That was when artists could control what we all heard and saw of their work, which I have to say I think was better. Oh dear.,....I am becoming a grumpy old timer!

Shine On
Michael

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Peter Grant had the right idea!  

[Stevie]

When I saw Tedeschi Trucks at The O2, the 'phones were out everywhere. You can imagine my response. Towards the end they did a fantstic version of "With a Little Help From My Friends" ( the three time way!) When I got home, someone had uploaded a 'phone video and it was great, really great. At the end the perp. panned round and focussed on the audience about where we were so I look every time. I thank whoever it was uploaded that clip.

I both understand and support how artists would seek to control their intellectual property, but I like to remember that it's a symbiotic relationship between the producer and the consumer; the one is useless without the other. It's not one sided. Trouble is the old model has swung in the opposite direction and artists have to find a way to monetise it or starve. A pretty stark choice.



Where the idea of intellectual property transcends the media is when I get the hump. When I purchase(d) the same much-loved intellectual property on vinyl, then the cassette and eight track, then the minidisc and CD, then I get a touch of them, and there's no way I'm going to fall for it again with low resolution MP3s at £0.99 each. That's game over for me.

This subject has been done to death and I think everyone on here agrees that piracy is wrong. I'm not entirely sure about Jack White's approach in this connected age, but he sure is a square peg so more power to his elbow.

e&oe...

[jono1uk]

Jack White's reason wasn't aimed at piracy - he just wants people to enjoy and be focused on the gig.
Artist seem to be more "p****d off with people in the crown having there head down texting or surfing in their gigs then filming it .

[Michael Messer]

Jono is dead on there. Live in the moment and enjoy the music! The person I mentioned in my post spent the whole evening watching the performance through their phone.

What I said about big artists in the old days, was related to piracy, but my own experience was more about living in the moment and not sharing it with everyone on Facebook or Instagram. Not because it is taking any income away from me, but because it is just pointless.

Shine On
Michael.

[bonzo]

Hi guys, I'm sure many of us will remember gigs way before mobiles, when you would be standing behind people chatting away oblivious to whatever was happening on stage! They were usually the exception, and once the error of their ways was pointed out would SHUT THE F UP!
Now the whole audience are at it,holding their phones above their heads, and still chatting! I wonder why they are there in the first place. Michael next time I'm at one of your gigs and someone's being a nuisance..........
Best wishes to you all, John

[Stevie]

I applaud Jack Whites altruism, but it seems a leap too far to suggest that he should attempt to control how people enjoy the performance. Still, most reasonable folk (not least the offended performer) would take exception to the intrusive nature of waggling cell 'phones.

I myself am repeatedly cajoled into playing at family"do-s". Their span of attention before gabbing is about 2-3 minutes. I put the guitar away. In that sense, I entirely understand what performers are about, but the difference is- I'm playing real good for free. When charging for the performance, I'm of the opinion that it's your responsibility to hold their interest. If their attention wanders then hey- take a look in the mirror. Don't forget that they're paying though. Never forget that they're paying. They are your paymaster. I've spent a lifetime touching my forelock to paymasters and I couldn't tell them what they should or should not do.

Since so many of those same cell 'phone touting folks are guilty, maybe the right thinking people are in a minority. In a world where everyone else was unhinged, only the sane person would be considered to be insane. I'm all for such a restriction, but I take exception to being dictated to. If someone wants to take home a memory then why not? It's their "loss" isn't it? I note that the programmes (sic) at the Stones' Twickers gig were £15? Give me a grab shot on a mobile any time.

e&oe...

[Michael Messer]

I think that we are talking about two types of events that I don't see have any connection to each other at all. What happens in a stadium of tens of thousands of people and what happens in a small venue, musically and socially are a completely different experience.

I have never stopped anyone from filming or photographing a performance of mine, but when the camera is literally being held a few feet from your face and it is disturbing the audience's enjoyment of the show, something is amiss.

Shine On
Michael

[creolian]

Jun 29, 2018 12:57:06 GMT Michael Messer said:

I think that we are talking about two types of events that I don't see have any connection to each other at all. What happens in a stadium of tens of thousands of people and what happens in a small venue, musically and socially are a completely different experience.

I have never stopped anyone from filming or photographing a performance of mine, but when the camera is literally being held a few feet from your face and it is disturbing the audience's enjoyment of the show, something is amiss.

Shine On
Michael

I'm thinking you need a phone jammer...  Preferably a former member of the who's road crew or equivalent.

[Michael Messer]

Creolian, good call. One of the former members of the Who's road crew in the 70s is an old friend of mine!

Shine On
Michael

[creolian]

One other approach to this is to encourage it... With a spot for filming, maybe a good audio feed as well. There was a band here in NOLA ( the radiators) who put an audio feed next to the mixer and encouraged tapers. Turns out the University crowd brought those tapes home and effectively marketed the band into a very successfull national 2000 seat act. I think the greatful dead pioneered that idea.

I'd at least ask anyone recording for A copy... Not much to ask considering.

[Michael Messer]

I have asked for copies of recordings and videos, but most of the time they're rubbish recordings, or filmed by people that can't hold a camera still!

I just let them do it because if you don't, then people think you are being a difficult prima donna.

C'est la vie ....as they say

Shine On
Michael

[mitchfit]

creolean, how ya'll are?

+1

the caveat to the successful Grateful theorem implementation is ~complete~ ownership of themselves.

why did Sugar Ray Leonard do so well financially?

the "Dead" just outright never signed into any contract that included any removal of rights to themselves.

Sugar Ray waited until the coinage started to come in, and then bought himself back before the gold rush.

the Beatles owned their song rights [under vairous % agreements for each member] and then put all of them
into a business named "beatles LTD' and later "Beatles and CO", eventually "Apple Corps", mostly as tax
shelters. then, in a nearly james bond style narative, McCartney ended up getting the rights back just last
summer after a long and winding road.

[sorry, couldn't hold that'n back]

why does it have to be this involved to own a song you wrote?

DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT JOHN FOGERTY....

mitchfit

[mitchfit]

MM---"..I am becoming a grumpy old timer!"

"my precious, must have the precious.."

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i must be older than you?

mitchfit