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Post by growler on Jan 15, 2007 19:37:24 GMT
www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rogue-Triolian-Biscuit-Cone-Resonator-Guitar?sku=519191HI All Michael gets a lot of inquiries regarding entry level resos....... I came across this little beauty on the web. It's a 'Rogue -Trolian Biscuit Cone' selling for the ridiculously low price of $ 179 ......... about £91, reading the reviews of this guitar this must be the '' guitar of the century ". It really does look good, a nice shape ,nicely balanced with a slotted headstock and a wide neck to boot. Reading many of the excellent reviews of this guitar what they are doing is buying it and up grading it, National cone, bone nut, bridge etc , many of the reviewers just replaced the nut saying it's excellent straight from the box........ Check this one out..... for the price of an expensive night out on the town you can get a damn good entry level reso .......... only problem ....... only being sold in USA.......unless you know of any UK dealers , I could not find any Pete I would be interested to hear your comments on this Guitar....... regards Growler
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Post by mirrormist on Jan 15, 2007 19:50:30 GMT
I read about them at the weekend on another site...it's criminal that our american friends can get to buy guitars so cheaply regards Anthony
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2007 10:56:55 GMT
Growler, I usually go to Harmony Central for user reviews of gear and the guitar gets a general thumbs up, with qualifications. They have the guitar on sale in Amazon.com and a user review suggested it was the same as a Johnson - his review was actually for the Johnson. I managed to find a pic of the Johnson triolian and it does look identical to the Rogue. BTW it seems that Musicians Friend may ship Rogue guitars to the UK. Check their FAQ page (link below). There's something on international shipping in question 2. mf.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/mf.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.phpI've bought guitar parts from the US before and even with taxes and shipping you can get excellent bargains. The idea of getting Pete to upgrade it sounds interesting, it would be interesting to hear if he has any experience of either Johnson or Rogue.
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Post by robn on Jan 16, 2007 11:16:50 GMT
I’ve just put a post on the IGS forum to see if I can get any more detailed info on the Rogue Triolian’s construction (scale length, ply thickness, internal bracing, National cone fitting etc). I have a Far East reso and there can be some issues with the construction that can limit their upgrade potential. I’ll post the details if I get a reply on the IGS Forum.
Robn
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Post by robn on Jan 18, 2007 23:41:21 GMT
Hi Growler,
I got some info about the Rogue Triolian from the IGS Forum:
scale length is about 25.25", straight typical biscuit saddle (center cut), NRP cone is about .050" taller than the Rogue cone and should transfer fine, the plywood is about 3/16" thick, there is no neck stick, and the back might have a single cross brace. Cone is much more Nat. like than a Regal cone. It's the neck angle and alignment that's a crap shoot.
It is made in China pretty much along the lines of other Far East models - but the mahogany ply is possibly thicker than some (3/16 rather than 1/4) and they seem to have earlier scale length problems sorted. But the quality control on the neck set and overall set up seems variable (a number of reviews have reported this).
If you did import one from the USA you would have to add Duty and VAT to the price (ouch!)
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Post by growler on Jan 19, 2007 10:17:23 GMT
HI Robn I personally think it might be a no-go getting it sent from the states , what with the good old English tax + duty having to be slapped on it. Also the problem of sending it back if your one is no good .......... we might have to wait for some English dealer ( Rogue ) to start selling them over here ...... at least you could go to the store and try them.......... Regards Growler
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Post by growler on Jan 19, 2007 15:27:58 GMT
HI Again Robn
Just found out you can get this Guitar in Germany , If it's the same...... which I think it is, its called the Johnston JW 995. Looking at he picture on the website, and I think I did read I somewhere it is the same guitar
Price 320 euros ....... about £209 ........ look it up on website www. ami-gmbh.de
Rgards Growler
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Post by robn on Jan 19, 2007 17:20:23 GMT
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Post by mirrormist on Jan 19, 2007 19:33:45 GMT
that's gotta be close to $500...more than double the price guess the US wasn't built on profit afterall ;D regards Anthony
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Post by andys on Jan 19, 2007 20:50:04 GMT
Yes this dollar/sterling exchange rate is certainly stacked in our favour at present. If you look at what the Americans are paying for their guitars compared to us it is amazing. I am looking out for low priced Telecasters, some of the shops in the states have Squiers for about the same in dollars as we pay in pounds for them, i.e. a Squier Tele for about £70!! Trouble is the taxes and delivery soon take that up to not far south of our online/cheapest price, so maybe there is not such a difference. It makes me laugh though, how much some folks pay for these cheap guitars on ebay. Andy S
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Post by mirrormist on Jan 19, 2007 21:22:26 GMT
Hi Andy S My comparison was like for like…shop price for our lucky American friends and the shop price that we pay in the UK. A friend of mine recently retired to Boston…he was telling me about a guy at the gas station making a song and dance because the cost of gas was getting on for $2 a gallon…my friend told the American guy that he was lucky cause we pay close to $7 in the uk…the American guy said “then maybe you guys over in the uk should learn to complain a little more then maybe you wouldn’t be getting ripped off at the gas station” My friend told me that he couldn’t argue with the guy because basically he was right. Best Wishes Anthony
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2007 9:45:49 GMT
Hi Growler, You may have read that the Johnson and Rogue were the same guitar in my post . Try going to Amazon.com and search for both the Rogue and Johnson triolians. You can read the user review which is very detailed and compare pics of the two guitars. At first glance they seem the same, but the woods look as though they are different. But that may just be quality of the photo. What puzzles me is, if they are both made by AXL, as the reviewer at Amazon said, then I don't understand why they should be marketing effectively the same guitar at the same price in the States. Also I can find a site for Johnson in Germany (AXL group) but nothing for Rogue guitars. For info, just because the saddle is centred, it should not be taken that there are no issues with scale length. I had a Korean brass bodied biscuit bridge guitar which sounded pretty good (actually paid significantly less than the Johnson for it). Its saddle was centred - but out of scale I'm interested in a biscuit bridge resonator to complement the Spider bridge type I currently have. I don't want to pay too much at the moment, and I've read some rave reviews about Johnson resonators before. But there are downer reviews too. As Fleet is quite close to me I might see if they have it in stock and give it a try. If so I can post back my first impressions.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jan 20, 2007 15:16:15 GMT
It is just 'luck of the draw' with these Korean instruments - they fly out of the factory by the dozen - the assembly & set-up is completed in no more than 10 minutes per instrument. So some are good and some are not - you really have to test a few to find a good one. Personally I don't think the name on the headstock means anything - on a Monday morning they are assembled for Johnson with their name on the box and after lunch AXL or whoever is next in line. Basically anyone can order guitars from these factories with any name on the headstock and the more you order, the cheaper they get. I seem to recall 25 is minimum order. If a guitar retails in the UK for let's say £100, it was sold to the store for £50, sold to the UK distributor for £25, and probably left the factory for half that. Fenders are the same, so are Pioneer, Sony and everything else we all buy! I recently bought a DVD player for the kitchen in Tesco for less than £20, so I guess that was assembled and left the factory for £5 ...if that.
Shine On, Michael
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Post by growler on Jan 20, 2007 15:41:58 GMT
HI Michael Nice to see you are back .....
The whole world has gone consumer mad .......... Suits for £19 ...... jeans for £3 ..... what do they pay at the factory for these items ..... worse still what do they pay the poor workers ........ I know what they pay them 5p per hour . Another thing that personally concerns me is the sheer volume of guitars being produced at these far Eastern factories . I have no problem with luthiers making a living making hand made guitars, but the other lot must be really contributing towards the decimation of the rain forests , in Indonesia for instance cutting down mature hard -woods for the furniture and music industries etc and replacing it with rubbish Palm oil plantations . Driving out magnificant creatures like Orang Utangs and replacing them with Rats and Snakes.......... oh well lets get back to Guitars .............. regards Growler
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Post by Michael Messer on Jan 20, 2007 16:29:10 GMT
Hi Growler, don't get me started......or I may not be able to stop!!!! You're right....stick with guitars.
Shine On, Michael.
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