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Long or short leg should work. If the spider that was in it has the #14 cast in it, then you need to measure the scale as Duece suggested. I have seen these guitars with offset and standard spiders. The neck-blank and fretboard combo makes the difference as to which spider will work best. Most likely you have the original spider there. But it may need the offset one to intonate properly. Do what you can to keep the original cone.
Post by Michael Messer on Mar 28, 2016 10:57:11 GMT
I am totally with Rik about keeping the original cone, but that one looks like it's going to struggle to be good again.
I have a set of cones in a Tricone that were re-spun for me by Dave King in 2001. They were 1920s cones and were in quite a bad state. They are still perfect and sound great. Re-spinning a cone is a hit and miss thing, but when it works it's great. I have pushed out and re-shaped many cones successfully, but with that lug cone, it looks like a hard job.
Thanks, everyone. I am very impressed with Mike Lewis' restoration of that old lugged cone which didn't look too different from the state of mine.
I await his reply then I will start moving things forward. I have applied many thin coats of Tru Oil to the neck now and when I decide to stop I will reattach the neck and body and make those measurements. I'm pretty confident my spider (#14 stamped) is the original, but on examination it appears to be long and doesn't sit on the lugs anyway, so perhaps I have a choice dependent on what is available.
My next step is to clean up the remaining parts of the tuners and reassemble. Been reading about the National/Dobro/Regal history in a book called 'American Guitars - an illustrated history' by Tom Wheeler. It surely was one of, if not the most important guitar innovators out there. Fascinating time.
That's great PD - thanks for going to that effort. I'm very impressed with your restoration job.
I have attached a pic of the tailpiece after cleaning off the black paint and yet more two-part (it was stuck down to the coverplate). It is in pretty decent condition but there has been a nasty incident with the G string where the ball end has cut through the tailpiece, and even apparently through some of the coverplate. I'd love to know what this guitar has seen over the last 75 years or so!
Looks like that G String gave your tail piece a wedgy (sorry, couldn't resist)
Not sure if you have come across the thread of my M32 from a few months back but thought you might be interested to see the pictures of my spider, I believe it to be original and as yours is stamped 14:
Be careful not to "over clean" stuff. Of course it's your choice, but it can really sink the value, if that's important to you. I have ones that are very good, all original, and I don't do much of anything to them. But, on the other hand, I've had some (a '31 Duolian currently) that were so messed with (it was spray painted flat black when I found it) that I don't mind doing some work on them.
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
Thanks Gaucho. Point taken re: cleaning but this guitar is beyond that, given the state it has been in. I won't go too overboard I hope, but I want this baby to look good and I reckon it's beyond any 'collector' value as you can see from the first pics.
Post by washboardchris on Mar 30, 2016 16:11:52 GMT
Hi, I have a beard offset spider that I can send you to try, If it works for you we can do a deal on it and if not just send it back to me. I think I have a cone in better nick than yours ( came out of a 30's wood body Regal, sadly the bit in the middle that the screw goes into fell out & I cant find it. If its any good to you let me know. If interested PM me with a phone number & we can sort something out