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Post by toom on Apr 2, 2010 16:43:35 GMT
rather flashy, but, hey this guy can play.recommended by John Renbourn, so he must be ok.
more if you want. getting used to his attitude now-actually very funny.
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Post by blueshome on Apr 2, 2010 20:09:41 GMT
A great example of ripping the heart out of a great blues song by overplaying. Plenty of technique - no soul...........
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Post by washboardchris on Apr 3, 2010 4:50:39 GMT
Hi, I played with Clive in a duo some years ago(scary guitar player)he has a great sense of humor& is playing this very tounge in cheek.Have a listen to some of his Celtic stuff or for that matter some of his own tunes.
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Post by bod on Apr 3, 2010 7:53:09 GMT
Hi, I played with Clive in a duo some years ago(scary guitar player)he has a great sense of humor& is playing this very tounge in cheek.Have a listen to some of his Celtic stuff or for that matter some of his own tunes. Thanks for clarifying - had a look at some of the other clips, definitely worth it. Not my usual cup o' tea, but some nice stuff; thought this one was very pretty: Also some interesting discussions/demos of technique in some of those clips... Cheers
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Post by blueshome on Apr 3, 2010 9:42:31 GMT
Not a question as to whether he's a great guy (I'm sure he is) and he clearly has virtuosic technique and I enjoy a lot of his playing, but for blues you need to have that soul...........and it ain't there in his MS Blues.
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Post by Gerry C on Apr 3, 2010 10:08:32 GMT
All flash and no feel. I was amused by the comment from the guy who posted the clip on YouTube that Carroll's version was better than the original. We might have to differ on that... And WHY do so many people treat this purely as an instrumental piece? It's one of the great blues SONGS!
Not wishing to put myself on the same level as Mr Carroll but perhaps you'd like to watch this:
Cheerily,
Gerry C
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Post by Steverb on Apr 3, 2010 10:49:46 GMT
Eliza's Eyes is lovely and Mr Carroll clearly has wonderful technique that makes it all look very easy, which it clearly isn't. But I can only concur with the other comments that his Mississippi Blues version is dreadful - tongue in cheek or not, it's so overplayed it's painful. Give me Gerry's version anyday.
To answer your question Gerry, I think most people play it as an instrumental because they've never heard the song. I learnt to play Mississippi Blues over 25 years ago from a Stefan Grossman tab book and only found out it had words and a vocal tune two years ago when someone played along with me and sang it at a pub acoustic jam session. I only heard the original version a couple of weeks ago at your house! The fact that it's a one-off by the 3rd Willie Brown and seems to be only available through a Library of Congress compilation makes it pretty inaccessible compared to lots of other classic blues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 11:23:18 GMT
Have to agree - he may well be a great technician but, as Phil stated, no soul. Might be based on a blues song but it sure ain't the blues - there's a whole world of difference between playing a blues song & playing the blues!!
I nearly choked when I listened to it as, coincidentally, I had just been listening to Johnny Winter playing a storming live version - starts off with solo guitar & great vocals with real soul, plus some backing harmonica, builds & wanders into bits of Kindhearted Woman, then after about 7 minutes the band kick in - total about 15 minutes of Johnny Winter at his best - now he can sing the blues!!
Also last week saw Ashley Dow do a superb cover at a Rag Mama Rag gig - if you ever get the chance to see them treat yourself & go - and ask him to play it.
Gerry - you're spot on - one of the great blues songs. Really like your version - if I ever get to one of your gigs I'll be asking you to play it!
Cheers, Clive
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Post by ken1953clark on Apr 3, 2010 17:04:21 GMT
My favourite version of Mississippi Blues, the words are there just be patient its a 9 minute cut. Johnny Winter on OGWT yonks ago. The harp's not bad for a bass player (duck). His Firebird seems to be in standard tuning. When I saw him last year (a sad spectacle, very ill) he only used the Firebird for slide (in open 'D'), back then I think he had 2, one in each.
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Post by blueshome on Apr 3, 2010 17:24:41 GMT
W.Brown clocks in at 6'22'' of blues heaven, all played on a reso BTW, it should be in every blues fans collection.
For those without this track it available on various compilations. I have the Document Mississippi Blues and Gospel (field recordings) which has Mr.Brown's other 2 solo recordings including the version of Ragged & Dirty popularised in the teaching of S.Grossman.
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Post by oldmanblue on Apr 3, 2010 17:42:57 GMT
gerry you may not want to put yourself on the same level as mr hey look at me aint i good but to me you are ,more soul more feeling ,thats my take on it any way.omb
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 19:00:12 GMT
What constitutes Blues, mojo, feel, showmanship etc? I respect your various opinions on whether or not you like the song, or indeed Clives music, but has the blues never changed or been adapted? After all, it's just folk music and songs get reworked in the idiom of the current time. Would it sound more authentic, more blues if you want, if you could only play it on a hand wound gramophone?
I bet some of you were in the front row at the Albert Hall, booing when Dylan strapped on an electric. Discuss!
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Post by Steverb on Apr 3, 2010 19:46:37 GMT
Personally, I have no problem with the blues being adapted Tommo; I like a good dose of Cream, Hendrix, Rory, Groundhogs etc as much as the next person.
It's obvious that Clive Carroll has some serious blues chops and I don't doubt that he can play tastefully when he wants to. If I were sitting in his living room when he played Mississippi Blues like that I might think it was quite a laugh at the time but to put it on YouTube, with all the posy body language an' all, just seems like unnecessary showing off. What works as showmanship with an electric guitar on a stage in front of a live audience doesn't cut it for me when he is sitting on a chair in his living room in front of a camcorder; but that's just my opinion. Having said all that, I would love to have his technique.
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Post by washboardchris on Apr 3, 2010 20:23:46 GMT
Hi, I think that you will find that it wasnt clive who put it on Youtube(probably someone who was sitting in his front room ) I remember seeing stefan Grossman performing this years ago (loads of flash running commentary,play that six string piano lets go up town & aint that kid clever et al)if you meet Clive you will find him one of the most helpfull & modest people that you could meet.Playing for a living is not the same as playing as a hobby,you have to try and entertain people or you just end up playing for guitar players
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Post by growler on Apr 3, 2010 21:38:21 GMT
There is no getting away from the fact that this guy is an extremely talented guitarist . The vid bod posted 'Elizas Eyes' is a wonderful bit of guitar work ............ if I could play that sort of thing I would'nt bother with the Blues
regards Growler
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