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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 15:36:00 GMT
Sorry. Wrong link. Here you go.
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 28, 2011 17:25:35 GMT
Hi jayare61,
Welcome to our forum.
Great guitar! I am pleased you found this thread and that you got your guitar from Gruhn's. They are great people to deal with. I have bought quite a few guitars from Gruhn's over the past 30 years and they have never let me down.
Keep in touch,
Shine On Michael.
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Post by mitchfit on Dec 29, 2011 19:08:05 GMT
jayare61,
did you find this from my posting/alert?
glad someone was able to take advantage of that price. much info available in this thread and others here about going electric with a acoustic reso. add a piezo in the bridge or cone, with a lower power humbucker @ neck and you have a resolectric model for less money, and more "intangible flavor" to boot.
mitchfit
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Post by 112233 on Dec 7, 2013 17:27:52 GMT
Hi,
Very recently I fell in love with the 1133's. In a moment of passion I purchased two of them through eBay. A greyish from '63 and a white one from '59. I'll be more than glad to share them with you very soon. I have some questions coming up!
But more urgent, as I'm regularly touring by plane, I'm very keen on finding a fitting (!) hard shell case for them. Any tips?
Thank God for this forum. There's already a lot of useful information here!
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Post by mitchfit on Dec 7, 2013 17:53:29 GMT
welcome aboard. just tried my 1133 in a mid 70's gibson LP case. [an S1 gibson lives there] it would need some foam installed to work very well. OEM national cases are poor quality, and not worth seeking out to me. for industrial [touring] use, MM recommends Calton cases. UK mfgd, distributed by elderly here in US: www.elderly.com/brand/CSGT_calton.htmlmitchfit
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Post by oscar on Jan 9, 2014 0:12:07 GMT
Just got a red 1133 from 1956 this week. I had to take off the coverplate and found that the cone was glued and nailed (two small nails). The nails were broken and the glue had lost its adhesive force. Until now I have opened four "student models" and always found glued and nailes cones. Mere chance or were they set up in the factory that way?
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Post by zak71 on Jan 9, 2014 3:25:12 GMT
I had to take off the coverplate and found that the cone was glued and nailed (two small nails). The nails were broken and the glue had lost its adhesive force. Until now I have opened four "student models" and always found glued and nailes cones. Mere chance or were they set up in the factory that way? Mine has the two nail holes on the cone's edge, but someone had removed the nails before I got it. Can't really find traces of glue. It isn't at all improbable that they came that way from the factory, perhaps as a means of reducing rattles due to the instrument's inherently shallow break angle and short tail-to-bridge distance. Mine doesn't seem to rattle without anything holding the cone down when played pretty forcefully (I currently have 13s on it, but plan to try something heavier next string change). Attachments:
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Post by oscar on Jan 10, 2014 0:48:06 GMT
Thanks for the picture, zak71. The nails seem to have always the same position so I think the cones have already been secured in the factory that way.
I have strung both guitars with 14-18/19-26-34-45-56 strings (open D). Using thicker stringes for the low D (59 or 60) did not improve bass volume or sound.
One guitar seems to have been assembled from B-stock parts in the sixties and does not have the National logo. It has a painted coverplate which is more domed than the chromed ones which gives a shallower angle between bridge and tailpiece. Same colour as the one in your picture. The other one is red and was made in 1956. I have replaced the cone in the B-stock with a new Beard cone. This guitar is louder and sounds clearer than the one with the original setup.
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Post by zak71 on Jan 10, 2014 5:13:10 GMT
I have replaced the cone in the B-stock with a new Beard cone. This guitar is louder and sounds clearer than the one with the original setup. I guess I need to try one of those 8" cones. At $50, it wouldn't be a very expensive experiment. Is it the same height as the original National cone? Were you able to use the original biscuit/saddle on the new cone? My 1133 sounds a lot better than many of the others I've had a chance to play, but I guess Voltaire was right when he said " le mieux est l'ennemi du bien" - can't pass up an opportunity to see if it can be improved upon!
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Post by Michael Messer on Jan 10, 2014 8:48:18 GMT
Hi Zak,
I guess it's worth a try, but from my experience of Beard National-style cones, they are too heavy and have no tone.
The best option I know of for replacing cones in 1133s, is to rout out the sound well so it can take a 9.5 inch National cone. I know this sounds like sacrilege, and I would think twice before doing it, but with no decent spares available.... With a 9.5 inch cone they sound really good, it gives them a bigger sound.
National Reso-Phonic should make a few to keep in stock.
Shine On Michael.
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Post by zak71 on Jan 10, 2014 13:29:54 GMT
Thank you for the advice, Michael. My only experience with Beard cones involved a 9.5" which was a real clunker! I see that their current 9.5" is properly ribbed (spiraled?) unlike the smooth ones they offered before, so I had my hopes up that maybe they had improved on their cone spinning. I should probably just leave my 1133 alone, since it sounds perfectly fine just the way it is. I would imagine a 9.5" cone would give it more depth and volume but I can't bring myself to permanently alter the body, especially since I have enough guitars with full-size cones to keep me from ever having to change tunings! I shall contemplate this in the dentist's chair later today, but I will most likely just leave it alone and enjoy it as it is. Thanks again!
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Post by Michael Messer on Jan 10, 2014 13:56:32 GMT
Zak, I would leave it alone. They are lovely guitars and they are what they are. I love playing mine and it's a great travel guitar when I am away and not gigging, just need a guitar around. I was going to say that the 1133 transports me back 80 years to........ Shine On Michael
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Post by zak71 on Jan 10, 2014 14:25:24 GMT
I was going to say that the 1133 transports me back 80 years to........ "...to a hobo jungle just off the tracks, where wandering workers congregate in camaraderie and where the comforting and captivating strains of a real all-metal resonator guitar waft through the smoke of oil-drum fires and enchant the ears with a sound like raindrops beating on a rusty pump house roof."How does such horrid writing get past a major guitar manufacturer's advertising department??? Unbelievable. I'm surprised it wasn't accompanied by some offensive blackface minstrel picture! This would have been a perfect way to cap off that bit of drivel! Perhaps The Monks would have said " nice Trojan, shame about the face!" Attachments:
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Post by oscar on Jan 10, 2014 18:45:27 GMT
I guess I need to try one of those 8" cones. At $50, it wouldn't be a very expensive experiment. Is it the same height as the original National cone? Were you able to use the original biscuit/saddle on the new cone? ![/quote] The height of one National cone is 250 mm, the other has a little bit more than 255 mm. The Beard is 260 mm which probabley was the height of the National cone when it was new. I could have used the origional biscuit, but the saddle was filed down and had incredibly deep slots. So I took a new one. Will try to get a microphone to record a short soundclip to compare both cones.
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Post by snakehips on Jan 10, 2014 21:45:35 GMT
Hi there !
Talking of dentist chairs, i think patients pondering about purchasing guitar parts are furthest from their mind when they are in my chair !!!
On another point - i had a 1133 for a while that had a beard cone in it, when I got it. It sounded good enough BUT as i have never played another 1133 - especially one with an original cone in it, i am not able to compare the two. I did however badger NRP to think about making some cones for the 1133 model - pointing out that they make DelVecchio cones - and that i would have thought demand for 1133 cones must surely be much higher than for. Delvecchio cones. Unfortunately, they replied to say that they couldn't see the cost of tooling up for such a cone would ever pay for itself.
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