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Post by leeophonic on Aug 31, 2021 10:03:27 GMT
25.75 scale bastard to get the ruler under the handrest !!!
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Post by Ian McWee on Aug 31, 2021 10:41:50 GMT
Hi Malcolm!
Welcome to the best, most informative resonator / slide forum on the planet (with the nicest forum members too!) 👍
My Beltona tricone also has the embossed cones ~ if you can obtain the originals without any hassle it'll be nice to have 'em for posterity alongside the instrument, but as stated earlier in the thread you'll be happy with a set of National cones in your Beltona 😉
Slide On!
The Flaschenmeister.
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Post by The Beltona Kid on Aug 31, 2021 17:12:35 GMT
Thank you Leeophonic for the info on scale length. My guitar is hung up in Chicago by the post and not around to measure myself.
Ian, nice to hear from you. I think I figured it out as to why 12th Fret scrapped the original cones. I read that Steve had trouble with their original cone supplier and at some point started spinning their own. This was the 15th triplate made and more than likely had the outside supplied shitty cones. That's the only thing I can think of for changing them out.
Boning up on my slide, playing the entire Beggars Banquet in honor of Charlie. RIP
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 31, 2021 17:28:04 GMT
I wouldn't worry about the Beltona cones not being in the guitar. The 12th Fret in Toronto know their stuff and if they felt the need to put a new set in the guitar, then they had good reason. They may not have been Beltona cones, those might have been damaged years ago. Your guitar will sound as it should with a set of National cones and also you know it has been setup for you.
If you have any questions or concerns about #15, contact Steve at Beltona and ask him.
Don't worry, just enjoy!
Shine On Michael
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Post by vastopol on Sept 1, 2021 11:11:10 GMT
Thanks you Snakehips for these nice pictures, we rarely had an ocasion to peep an eye inside a Beltona. Nice to see the flat soundwell, (and the clever conpensated T Bridge)...what a piece of art...have you an idea of the purpose of this little hole on the wall of the soundwell toward the neck?
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Post by The Beltona Kid on Sept 1, 2021 13:11:12 GMT
Hey Vestapol, The little truss rod hole would be my guess yes?
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Post by vastopol on Sept 2, 2021 9:02:42 GMT
Oh; you're right, I've forgot that the Beltona's doesn't have any hole one the headstock...very beautyfull and not the easyest choice; they strongly keep an aesthetical perspective in their concept. That open questions about the way they are made inside; mysteriously done...does the truss-rod is longer than the neck, and gets his way along the neck-stick?... It's a new and unique inventive approach. Very clever.
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Post by snakehips on Sept 2, 2021 21:44:29 GMT
Hi again !
Yes, the truss rod is under the fretboard extension. You still use your allen key through the hole in the side of the well.
I've had two or three (can't remember !) vintage Nationals, in need of neck straightening & new fretboards, restored (by Steve Evans, of Beltona) this way by having a wee hole in the side of the well to access the otherwise hidden truss-rod. They all turned out great ! I've had a few vintage Nationals had carbon-fibre rods installed under new fretboards - and those seem to deaden the sound, in my own personal opinion.
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Post by The Beltona Kid on Sept 2, 2021 22:18:43 GMT
Hey Snakehips, "Wee Hole", are you a scotchmen? Check out the pics of the T-015 Beltona style 1.5 under the header under strung. A National showed up at my door without my knowledge. It has a broken replacement neck.
Best,
TBK
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Post by vastopol on Sept 3, 2021 7:57:50 GMT
Very interesting...but, if I try to figure it...that means a longer truss rod to get all along the neck and through the neckstick section under the fretboard? (I can imagine that, so Doctor Snakehips don't get your X rays machine) Good to hear your point of view about the carbon fiber option; carbon is hard but the epoxy used to fill the channel around the bar maybe relatively soft, I don't know, also the method may be more important than the materials. (I don't try to put the blame on any luthier; I'm not a luthier and I just try to understand what I have under my hands). I had to consider this option for an old guitar, your advice come just right on time. Thanks.
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Post by snakehips on Sept 3, 2021 11:53:41 GMT
Hi again,
Steve Evans is the one to talk to about installing a hidden adjustable truss-rod into a vintage National neck.
Incidentally, I've sent him one of my 14 fret Duolians for a neck reset and change the v thick replacement fretboard (and consider installing a truss rod). The guitar already has carbom-fibre strengthening rods in it (one of the ones I feel sounded dull after it got them) - so wondered if he could remove them. However, he felt the 14-fret neck method of attaching the neck and something to do with the location of the carbon fibre rods, would make installing an adjustable truss-rod difficult/un-necessary/challanging - and thus did not recommend it for this particular guitar - SO, I assume it's not an ideal solution for every reso guitar. On the 3 that did have adjustable truss-rods fitted (and other work on them, by Steve Evans), those guitars sound ace !
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Post by vastopol on Sept 6, 2021 6:19:31 GMT
(It looks like your pics aren't functionnal? ...or forbidden?...).
But If I read correctly I am stunned about this great idea. Thanks a lot for explaining this, it will give more appreciation when looking on Beltona's instruments. These guys are genious!
(I always look sadly on how many budget reso ukes are based on the Beltona design, not much poeples cares how Beltona's influence is huge on these instruments...).
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Post by Michael Messer on Sept 6, 2021 7:49:58 GMT
(I always look sadly on how many budget reso ukes are based on the Beltona design, not much poeples cares how Beltona's influence is huge on these instruments...). ....Not as huge as the original National company, their work is copied by everyone. Shine On Michael
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Post by Stevie on Sept 6, 2021 8:12:36 GMT
[/quote]....Not as huge as the original National company, their work is copied by everyone.
Shine On Michael [/quote]
But only in a profit driven cavalier fashion by many?
e&oe ...
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Post by vastopol on Sept 9, 2021 8:42:56 GMT
I always look at Beltona's Ukuleles like something more than just a simple "copy", they are very different in size and shape, and scale (when looking on a metal body concert type, as the closer of the National spirit in their range of models) and they also have some inventive and unique features now largely copyed in China... They made something just between the historic "big body" and the "small body", to me it looks like something new.
I mean, most China made resonators Ukuleles are clearly copyed on beltona's ideas, not on National...of course the main concept came from John Dopyera.
Sometimes the line can be very thin between a "copy", and an "interpretation"...
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