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Post by canadian on Jul 6, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
Hi everyone. I need a new cone for my 1133. Does anyone know the size and where I could order a replacement from. Thanks
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Post by ken1953clark on Jul 6, 2021 18:23:18 GMT
The cone is 8 inch, but no-one makes replacements as far as I know. I had to fettle mine back into shape with a teaspoon.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 6, 2021 18:35:49 GMT
If you really do have to fit a new cone, you may have to rout out the body so it takes a 9.5 inch cone. It does work and gives the guitar a slightly fatter tone. But only do it if you really have to fit a new one. Can we see a photo or two of your 8 inch cone?
Shine On
Michael
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Post by canadian on Jul 6, 2021 21:06:50 GMT
If you really do have to fit a new cone, you may have to rout out the body so it takes a 9.5 inch cone. It does work and gives the guitar a slightly fatter tone. But only do it if you really have to fit a new one. Can we see a photo or two of your 8 inch cone? Shine On Michael I just worked on this guitar for about 4 hrs..ahhhhhh. Lol...I tried every set up you can think of. I don’t think the con is the actual problem but the downward pressure on the cone is inadequate, but I’m no luthier so maybe the cone is part of the problem. The best sound is putting the strings under the tailpiece. I know that’s a no no but is plays and sounds fantastic now. In my opinion, a small honey dipper Tailpiece would have worked much better. My 31 Duolian sound like a cannon, but even on it there is not a lot of break angle at the saddle, ok I’m tired now lol..sooo in your opinion should I leave it understrung, get a different tailpiece, or ? Thanks in advance... |
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 6, 2021 21:17:07 GMT
If that is the problem you might need to raise the cone on a plywood gasket glued into the soundwell and/or reset the neck with the correct angle. Understringing is not great as a permanent fix.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Jul 6, 2021 21:22:26 GMT
...or maybe use a higher saddle and reset/adjust the neck?
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Post by canadian on Jul 6, 2021 21:29:25 GMT
Thanks Again Guys
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Post by resotonic on Jul 6, 2021 21:40:21 GMT
Beard makes an 8.25" biscuit bridge resonator cone. Available at Resophonic Outfitters according to the web...
Don't know if the height would be correct, maybe a custom made biscuit & bridge would be necessary (the easy part!).
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 6, 2021 22:27:30 GMT
Beard makes an 8.25" biscuit bridge resonator cone. Available at Resophonic Outfitters according to the web... Don't know if the height would be correct, maybe a custom made biscuit & bridge would be necessary (the easy part!). This is not a good option because the cone is too heavy and the sound is not right. Shine On Michael |
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 7, 2021 6:32:19 GMT
Because the 1133 has a bolt on neck , a thin shim can change the neck angle very quickly. This would allow a higher saddle, with the same action as before j.
As the tailpiece sits on a curve, a short tailpiece may well increase the angle, (l think Michael is no a fan of short tailpieces as an ‘improvement)I have often thought that the length of string behind the bridge will affect tone, the 1133 has a very short length behind, is this part of its ‘sound’. Would a short tail make it bentter or worse.
Pete
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Jul 7, 2021 6:35:16 GMT
I tried the short tailpiece route and the tone changed for the worse.
Went the saddle height/neck angle adjustment route and all is well.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 7, 2021 8:57:04 GMT
The reason I said to raise the cone on a wood gasket is because making the bridge saddle higher will kill the tone and volume, which in a quiet guitar is not a good thing to do.
Short tailpieces.... not for me.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by pete1951 on Jul 7, 2021 12:22:28 GMT
The reason I said to raise the cone on a wood gasket is because making the bridge saddle higher will kill the tone and volume, which in a quiet guitar is not a good thing to do. Short tailpieces.... not for me. Shine On Michael The height of the bridge saddle will effect tone, as a general rule , too high and the guitar will loose bass, too low and not enough treble ( I have never tested this, but most Reso enthusiasts seem to agree) so Michael is correct if the saddle is it’s original hight . If this is the case, them a thin wood ‘ring’ to raise the cone ( and the a neck re-angle to maintain action) is the answer. That said, I have seen many guitars with bolt on necks have their saddles cut down, rather than their necks adjusted. If the saddle is very low then a new one of the correct height may give a better tone ( the neck would then also have to be adjusted). There must be a ‘sweet spot’ that the hight should be, perhaps some 1133 owners could measure their saddle heights ( I don’t have one and unlike Michael have never worked on one so his advice trumps mine if we disagree) Pete |
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Post by ken1953clark on Jul 1, 2023 8:07:01 GMT
A bit of a late addition to this thread. I was speaking to Steve Evans at Beltona. He makes a range of small resonator instruments (ukes, mandos etc) that use 8" cones. Maybe he will sell you one if necessary. No affiliation
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