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Post by pete1951 on May 8, 2021 12:36:05 GMT
I have had and repaired Gibson guitars for almost 50years and if anyone had asked me “What is the scale length?” I would have answered ‘ 24.75” ‘ . A quick search on the interweb will also come up with the same result.
After a resent thread I measured my ‘ 61 Gibson and was surprised to find it is 3/16th” less ,and the excellent StewMac website gives some dates and tell us that Gibson have not used 24.75 since the late 50s, then 24 9/16” till ‘69, 24 5/8” from ‘92 ( and back to 24 5/8 at the Montana factory)
So why does this matter?
There are a lot of guitars out there with Gibson on the headstock that ,unless you really know your guitars, are Far Eastern copies. After detailed research,( I have an old Chinese neck , so it was a very small sample size) I think most ( all? some?) Gibson copies/ counterfeits will have a 24 3/4” . So my idea is that you may be able to find a fake with a tape measure. The quality of copies is increasing and often you may have to remove pickups or truss rod cover , not something a shop might be willing to let you do. Could this be a quick way of authentication?
If you have a Gibson copy please check the distance from the nut to the 12th fret, I am expecting it to be 12 3/8th”.
I have a 90s Les Paul and a Copy coming in for repair next week , will this confirm my hypothesis ? Pete
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Post by bonzo on May 8, 2021 14:05:49 GMT
A lot of proud 'Gibson' owners might not want to know Pete......🤔🤨🎸
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Post by neilm on May 8, 2021 18:22:34 GMT
A friend of mine has a `CHIBSON` ES335 copy and apart from tuners it's a bloody good guitar. I think it would be fairly easy for someone to get ripped off thinking it was the real deal.
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Post by pete1951 on May 8, 2021 18:58:05 GMT
A friend of mine has a `CHIBSON` ES335 copy and apart from tuners it's a bloody good guitar. I think it would be fairly easy for someone to get ripped off thinking it was the real deal. Exactly my point, and if you know about the difference in scale between real and copy, a tape measure could change the price from £2000 to £200. ( If my theory holds true, we will have to see) Pete
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Post by pete1951 on May 17, 2021 19:05:44 GMT
This 2000 built Gibson is 12 9/32” to the 12th, so it matches the predicted 24 9/16” scale, the copy has been delayed, if you have a Les Paul copy a measurement would be good. I would be most interested in the scale of a Gibson fake ( of any style) I think I know of one around here but I don’t think the jams will get going very soon. Pete
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Post by pete1951 on May 22, 2021 16:19:39 GMT
Just had a Vantage Gibson copy in, sure enough it’s 24.75. Could all Chinese ‘fakes’ be detected with a tape measure?... Pete
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Post by pete1951 on May 30, 2021 19:08:07 GMT
Just had a Vantage Gibson copy in, sure enough it’s 24.75. Could all Chinese ‘fakes’ be detected with a tape measure?... Pete The answer seems to be “not always “. This ‘Gibson’ is in fact a Gould ( made in the Far East, Korea??) and the scale is dead on 24 5/8” , not the 24 3/4” I was expecting. So back to the drawing board, there are other things that are not ‘Gibson ‘ but my ‘tape measure test’ doesn’t show this up as a fake! Pete
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