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Post by jono1uk on May 2, 2021 17:56:53 GMT
I would like to change the finish / colour of my Lemon Drop Les Paul Peter Green copy to resemble the colour of the original. I would like it looking more reliced any suggestions please that dont involve stripping off and repainting? pics of mine and original Greeny below Happy to try woodstainer. Attachments:
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Post by pete1951 on May 3, 2021 7:20:39 GMT
The basic colour of your guitar looks fairly similar to the PG-LP. The grey stains are caused by moisture getting through damage in the finish. The Gibson has a thick solid maple top, your guitar may have a thick maple top, but the flamed finish is likely to be a thin veneer, and work on it may damage it, sanding the finish off should be VERY gentle, as the veneer will be quite thin.
Pete
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Post by Pickers Ditch on May 3, 2021 7:41:03 GMT
Why not take it back to the original polished super finish as it was when PG owned it? ...that is as it was before the Irishman wrecked it. It would be more authentic.  |
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Post by Stevie on May 3, 2021 9:12:30 GMT
Out of the mouths of babes ...
e&oe ...
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Post by Jan on May 3, 2021 9:16:19 GMT
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Post by bonzo on May 3, 2021 9:29:49 GMT
Hi Jono. I would recommend using an acrylic (water based) varnish stain and a selection of good quality brushes.
You can select a colour premixed or blend colours together to get the desired effect. A very light sanding to provide a key, not enough to strip the finish and you're ready to go. The advantage of acrylic is that if you don't like the way it's going you can wipe it off and start again. You can also 'work' the finish as you go to get different depths of colour and distressed finish. It's also a finish in itself so needs no further protection.
Once dry you will have a finish tough enough to handle with no worries.
Good luck with your project, if you or anyone would like more details I'll be happy to post.
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by bonzo on May 3, 2021 9:32:26 GMT
I was posting at the same time as Jan, so you have a few choices Jono! 😊🎸🎸🎸👍
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Post by pete1951 on May 3, 2021 19:37:11 GMT
Although bonzo has said acrylic varnish might do the job, I would have to disagree. Stained varnish is basically paint with less pigment , so you can see through it. Stain on the other hand soaks in and doesn’t hide the grain in the same way .The danger of stained varnish on your guitar is that it will look patchy,
The answer to getting your desired finish is probably 6 gigs a week for 3 or 4 years, that should do it!
Pete
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Post by Stevie on May 4, 2021 10:20:43 GMT
Absolutely agree. When I moved in to this house it had stripped pine four panel doors downstairs. I "stain varnished" them to match all our second hand "dark wood" furniture.. Big mistake because every chip of the varnish reveals the stripped pine beneath. Staining followed by varnish is the correct approach. Too late for me.
e&oe ...
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Post by bonzo on May 4, 2021 10:46:58 GMT
Please remember we were talking about changing colour/finish on an existing surface not a stripped one guys. When I said 'work' the finish I meant you could manipulate the varnish while it's drying.
I thought the whole point was to get an uneven 'worn' look to the guitar. This is knowledge and skills I have picked up over many years, it's not easy, I'm happy to share, hence my comment in my post to get in touch for any help I could provide.
If anyone needs help on how to refinish pine doors or how to make a white IKEA table look like Tudor oak please get in touch, but not on the forum!
I always try to pass on this kind of information based on my actual experience, many of you have commented positively on projects I have posted here. Let me close by saying I could get jono's new guitar looking like Peter Green's using nothing but varnish stains, good brushes and the proper preparation.
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by bonzo on May 4, 2021 11:03:46 GMT
Grrrr. I've just re-read jono's post and he specifically stated he doesn't want to strip the finish off the guitar. Hence my suggestions. Put stain on that finish and it would wipe off like water off a ducks back. The acrylic varnish acts as a suspension medium for whatever colours you choose to use plus it needs no further protection to its finish.
The rest is technique, patience and a willingness to think outside of the box.
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Post by pete1951 on May 4, 2021 11:52:26 GMT
Yes, bonzo is right in saying that without removing any finish (which is what jono wanted)stained varnish would be the only way of changing colour.
That said, I think the effect would be muddy looking , and not a good match for the worn finish of an old LP.
Pete
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Post by bonzo on May 4, 2021 13:09:03 GMT
Thanks Pete. Yes the results could be muddy looking if you didn't work the finish properly. As with most things it's learning a skill, almost like painting a picture, you work your chosen medium to achieve the desired effect. On the other hand the time we've spent chatting about it the guitar has probably aged naturally! 😊🎸👍
Jono, am I right in thinking the guitar is the one you turned me onto a while back?
Best wishes to you all,John
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Post by jono1uk on May 4, 2021 21:24:05 GMT
Hi Bonzo not sure thought that may of been a Harley Benton goldtop with P90's?
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Post by bonzo on May 4, 2021 22:30:06 GMT
Hi Jono, yes that's right. Bought it on your recommendation. Gave it to my grandson, I wasn't really using it.
Very nice guitar for not a lot of money.
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