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Post by lacerta on Apr 13, 2021 13:56:43 GMT
Hello Folks
I have a nutless Gibson EH-100 lapsteel for which I am going to get a replacement made. As for as I can tell the nuts were made out of plated brass. However, I don't know the dimensions. Does anyone out there have one (or one of the similar models)? Of so I would be extremely grateful if you could measure the nut for me
Many thanks!
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 13, 2021 14:02:28 GMT
I was going to make a comment about brass monkeys, but I wont....  I think there's a guy locally who has an EH-100 - I'll check at the weekend and let you know. |
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Post by lacerta on Apr 13, 2021 14:07:21 GMT
Thanks PD! You've had the snow eh?  |
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Post by snakehips on Apr 14, 2021 12:57:15 GMT
Hi there !
Pictures please !
(As always !)
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 14, 2021 13:26:24 GMT
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Post by leeophonic on Apr 15, 2021 15:28:04 GMT
I replaced a nut on a 30's lap steel last year or so, I was fortunate at the time to have access to an engineering shop and did a tap test of ali, brass & stainless steel prior to crafting a new nut. Stainless is the way ahead but it is like working concrete, once polished it is magnificent rings like a bell and no plating required.
Lee
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Post by lacerta on Apr 15, 2021 16:35:54 GMT
Thanks for the tip. I'll see if I can get a stainless one made. I'll not be making it myself
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 15, 2021 17:34:27 GMT
These things are always personal taste and preferences, and there are no rules, just guidance. And really not just to put a spanner in the works, but I would never use metal for a guitar nut (brass or steel). I would always use bone for warmth, richness, bigger, fatter..etc. For me metal just sounds to bright and thin, and it over-rings out. I have had a few instruments with brass and steel nuts and all have sounded more to my taste with bone. No brass monkeys either... Shine On Michael |
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Post by leeophonic on Apr 17, 2021 17:16:02 GMT
I agree with Michael on acoustic instruents but some electric lap steels and pedal steels certainly came with engineered nuts (so to speak).
National cast aluminium nap steels have the nut in metal as part of the casting and they have plenty of low end.
Lee
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 18, 2021 7:09:26 GMT
Lacerta - as promised, I tried to track down that EH-100.
Turns out that the man, family and guitars have moved to Israel.
Sorry, but I can't be of any further help.
PD
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Post by Stevie on Apr 18, 2021 8:17:33 GMT
So we're only talking about the open string *tones* yes?
I specified a stainless-steel nut on my Gordon Smith Gypsy 1 double cut. It sounds fine, but then I think it's less of a concern with an electric than an acoustic instrument.
The thing is, some wonderful music came out of the 1960s (and onwards) played on Gibson 335s with plastic saddles which at least do affect every note played on the instrument. Also, with an instrument having a zero fret it's debatable how much influence a nut exerts anyway, and of course until we have an instrument decked out with bone frets even more so since as noted above, some 95% of the notes are played on nickel silver or stainless-steel or whatever. Some wonderful sounds emanate from sitars with what looks to this untrained observer as something like string or cord for "frets"?
But like MM and many many more I imagine, I genuinely prefer bone. I'm just following my life's mantra of keeping on asking "why" until the pundit in any arena runs out of steam and the feldegarb is stripped out of anything offered up as "because it is written".
e&oe ...
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 18, 2021 10:39:00 GMT
I agree with Michael on acoustic instruents but some electric lap steels and pedal steels certainly came with engineered nuts (so to speak). National cast aluminium nap steels have the nut in metal as part of the casting and they have plenty of low end. Lee It's a fair point, but National & Dobro aluminium lap steels, and Rickenbacher and Clinesmith Frying Pans, are the only instruments I know of with a great sounding metal nut. I am guessing that is because it is aluminium, which is a soft metal. I would never fit a brass nut to any type of guitar. Shine On Michael |
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Post by lacerta on Apr 19, 2021 7:24:02 GMT
Thanks for trying PD, I might get a bone one temporarily whilst I try and find one to copy.
Cheers
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Post by Stevie on Apr 19, 2021 16:12:02 GMT
Pure Aluminium is very soft indeed and very rarely encountered. Most "Aluminium" is an alloy and displays various degrees of hardness. Look at L72 and compare it to 5251, both alloys but L72 is quite a bit harder. Then there's the related alloy Titanium for example.
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