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Post by bluesdude on Nov 12, 2020 9:24:38 GMT
Hi Fred, I’ll double-check later on but I’m pretty sure it was 3-48, but “slotted, pan head” is what we all really want, instead of oval, domed, round etc. Yes that's right I've got the packaging right here and it says- nickel plated brass,low dome-slot head #3/48,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Kenny,,,,,,
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 14:25:30 GMT
I can see where the head shape is crucial... pan head, though seems too thick, and oval has too much shoulder/bevel. Both seem to be common though not niclel plated. I will check local hardware stores.
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Post by lacerta on Nov 12, 2020 14:47:59 GMT
I have a single one of Rik's screws on my 30 Style 2 and apart from 90 years of patina it's indistinguishable from the originals.
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Post by bonzo on Nov 12, 2020 14:55:42 GMT
Hi Fred, bear in mind that the screw you have posted is countersunk and would hold the head (which looks pretty good) to high off the guitar. I think Ric Besser is the go to guy.
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by gaucho on Nov 12, 2020 15:01:47 GMT
Rik Redid the Duco on My Sears and used his screw when the put it back together (it had non-original screws). Beautiful job all the way around! Only pic I have on hand, but you can zoom in and kinda see... Maybe this is better...
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Post by bonzo on Nov 12, 2020 15:07:26 GMT
Hi Gaucho. Those pics will have set many hearts beating faster! Lol!
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Post by gaucho on Nov 12, 2020 15:18:16 GMT
Thanks. He did such an amazing job. I wish I had photographed the guitar when I found it. Had a really ugly pink and turquoise rattle can spray paint job. I stripped it to bare metal and played it that way for awhile. It's such a good guitar I decided it was worthy of Rik's magic. Interestingly, and back to the cone topic, Rik told me it had the cone in it from a later in the 30's, 14 fret National. I didn't realize that there were different cones. Rik also does an great job of reshaping and "tuning" old cones. I sent him two I had in my parts bin. He wanted to buy one for a personal guitar he was working on so I gifted him one. The other one currently resides in a Hwy 61 (sacrilege I know but it sounds spectacular!)until I find a suitable "host" for it!
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Post by bonzo on Nov 12, 2020 15:36:24 GMT
No dissing the Highway 61 please Gaucho! A real noise maker in the best way. Great if you really want to 'cut loose'!😎👍
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Post by Ian McWee on Nov 12, 2020 20:58:30 GMT
John Alderson 'serviced' my '33 Duolian around 15 years ago & mine had the green felt gasket underneath the cone. It was a bit tatty so he left it out when rebuilding the guitar....
.....I disliked the tone immensely after playing it in for a few weeks ~ the guitar lost it's warmth ~ it was certainly louder, but the tone was harsh & very 'trebly' - John hadn't adjusted the neck or break angle over the saddle so we couldn't pin the reason down to that, but we carefully replaced the bits of felt gasket and my lovely, warm tone with the characteristic single-cone 'bark' returned....it'll never leave the instrument whilst in my possession again!!
Slide On!
The Flaschenmeister.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 22:17:50 GMT
I think we are getting close on ebay...100 for $15... I will need around 30 for some long-in-the-tooth projects...
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Post by slide496 on Nov 13, 2020 0:08:22 GMT
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 13, 2020 7:55:32 GMT
I apologise in advance if this upsets some people but this whole discussion about screws seems daft to me.
Now correct me if I'm wrong - the original National screws which are being talked about here, as I understand it, are nickel plated brass 3-48s.
Why are people discussing and posting up links to stainless steel screws, galvanised screws, zinc coated screws etc. when you can get the real thing (nickel plated brass 3-48s) at the correct length, shape etc. direct from RBE (no affiliation)?
I also suspect that there was a reason for the original screws being made from brass and not stainless steel. Brass is the softer of the two and if, through cackhandedness, one doesn't go in correctly the thread on the brass screw will be the most likely to strip, not the thread in the steel guitar body. It's easier to use a new screw than redrill and tap a new hole in the body, isn't it?
Or am I wrong again?
Stay safe, PD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 13:30:19 GMT
In 99 years when you go to unscrew your coverplate, you will be glad the screws are stainless steel...
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Post by slide496 on Nov 13, 2020 14:13:56 GMT
I apologise in advance if this upsets some people but this whole discussion about screws seems daft to me. Now correct me if I'm wrong - the original National screws which are being talked about here, as I understand it, are nickel plated brass 3-48s. Why are people discussing and posting up links to stainless steel screws, galvanised screws, zinc coated screws etc. when you can get the real thing (nickel plated brass 3-48s) at the correct length, shape etc. direct from RBE (no affiliation)? I also suspect that there was a reason for the original screws being made from brass and not stainless steel. Brass is the softer of the two and if, through cackhandedness, one doesn't go in correctly the thread on the brass screw will be the most likely to strip, not the thread in the steel guitar body. It's easier to use a new screw than redrill and tap a new hole in the body, isn't it? Or am I wrong again? Stay safe, PD. Not really daft, I've been pretty picky about replacing small parts on my parlors with authentic and have gone so far as to buy a second model just for the parts but on the other hand I was glad to find the modern ones as I have a 2012 metal body resonator and for technical reasons, as Fredcapo mentioned, this might be a preferred option. I am happy with the discussion in general as attention to the small details.
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Post by snakehips on Nov 13, 2020 14:16:34 GMT
Hi again, Here is a bunch of coverplate screws : The one on the left is a vintage National screw. The one on the right is a modern McMaster-Carr stainless-steel screw. The one in the middle were on a National that luthier Dave King, of England, got for me. They were brass and he got them nickel-plated along with a new brass tailpiece he had made. I have no idea WHERE he got these screws from but he told me (like 16yrs ago) he had a small stash of them. Wish I knew where he got them. The domed heads are slightly less tall than even the vintage National coverplate screws ! Attachments:
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