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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 16:02:32 GMT
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Post by gaucho on Apr 17, 2020 19:07:34 GMT
It'll be great to follow your progress on this! Someone on here, years ago and made some really nice stencils for the hula dancer on the sack of the polychrome Triolians. Have you ever seen the videos on facebook by the guy "RL Rainwater". He has a BEAT wood body triolian, that sounds amazing!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 19:51:46 GMT
Gaucho...I will check out RL. I have been thinking about my options for the restoration process...the exterior laminate is an interesting looking wood as you may be able to see. Since the finish will never be “original” am considering just some oil finish perhaps. But the traditional paint and hula girl is possible
Otherwise, the construction, cover plate, cone, biscuit, tuners (2 point fancy) all look original...except paint stripped.
Its going to need a neck reset. I can see typical construction features like the neck stick is screwed in at the well and has tail end mushroom, the other typical mushroom location has the stick tacked onto the back bracing, and there are 4 screws under the dot/plugs holding down the fingerboard tab...It looks like the heel and neckstick are glued in a few places, but I would think no neck dovetail so ungluing should not be too dificult.
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Post by bonzo on Apr 18, 2020 10:15:34 GMT
Looks fun Fred. What must it have sounded like? Not good I imagine! How many screws does it take to hold a biscuit in place? The plastic fitting made it look like a pie dish, must have stopped the cone resonating completely, which kinda defeats the object! As you say it's all there so will be a great restoration project. I wouldn't put anything to oily on the bare wood Fred, it might soak in and be a problem later. Good luck with it mate it'll be a good one when you're finished!
Best wishes and good health to you all, John
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 11:08:57 GMT
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Post by pete1951 on Apr 18, 2020 11:29:29 GMT
If you don’t want the ‘yellow’ Triolion look you could send it to Rik and get it Ducoed, or is it time to perfect your own Doco finish. Not many wood Duco guitars out there. Pete
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Post by bonzo on Apr 18, 2020 11:40:28 GMT
A reso full of character that will love you for making her whole again Fred! I know not everyone will agree, but if you're not going down the 'original paint job' route then pick any colour you like. I would use a self priming acrylic wood paint. With a couple of coats you could go for that Duco broken finish we've talked about! Once the base coat is on in a colour you like you will be able to wipe any effect you don't like straight off and try again. You'll end up with a totally unique guitar! Keep us posted on developments, I'm sure you'll get lots of interest.
Best wishes and good health to you all, John
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 18, 2020 11:42:12 GMT
Fred, this is a really good guitar and definitely all original (apart from the plumbing component holding the cone up!), just needs some TLC and it'll be wonderful.
That was a good find.
Shine On Michael
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Post by bonzo on Apr 18, 2020 11:42:25 GMT
I was writing as Pete was posting! Great minds eh Fred!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 12:05:39 GMT
Thanks for all the comments. No I wont put the frost finish on it (saving that for two duolian bodies in wait). I think it should be done to keep it true to its origin...likely a mustard brownish lacquer finish...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 12:36:14 GMT
I realize there is an earlier thread re this guitar. Since this has the more detailed photos, I will add the following comments...
As said earlier, this guitar came to me with a nut riser to play lap style. Also a crazy modification that I removed that clearly was homebrew. I have read some statements made that some late ‘20 to early ‘30s Spanish style guitars were shipped from the factory set up for lap style playing. Gibson clearly did this with the construction modifications to create its HG00 and HKG11, etc.
This Triolian also had a neatly installed perhaps professional looking (unlike the plumbing fitting) wooden nut, unslotted to support the nut riser.
Now, looking at the neck situation with this triolian, the neck is very straight, the body joint is solid, no clear signs of distortion...but the action is maybe 5/16 too high. Could it be that this neck was factory set to be a lap guitar? Is there any indication that National had ever done this?
I realize that over time most guitars just “slip” out of spec without obvious signs. In any case, I am holding off on any further work until I get other opinions. Thanks
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Post by bonzo on Apr 20, 2020 12:50:57 GMT
Sounds like it could have been a Friday afternoon job before a holiday weekend! Lol!
Best wishes and good health to you all, John
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 20, 2020 13:04:31 GMT
Fred, the neck on those guitars has no angle, it is just flat off the top. It could easily have been shipped from the factory as a Hawaiian steel instrument. I used to own an early Duolian that was factory setup as a Hawaiian guitar.
Shine On Michael
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Post by niaro on Apr 20, 2020 13:20:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 15:42:22 GMT
Niaro - Do you play your walnut triolian Spanish or lap style?
I assume since I havent heard otherwise from Michaels and other comments that the neck sets are the same whether factory equipped with high or standard nut.
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