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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 10, 2020 8:54:33 GMT
Digging around in an old gig case yesterday I found an ancient RadioSpares condenser lapel mic. and thought I'd give it ago on a reso guitar.
I tried sticking it in various positions around the coverplates, palm rests, f-holes etc. and found it to be atrocious on everything in all tunings except my little National 1133.
The 1133 was tuned to Spanish A so I thought this high tuning may be the reason that it worked.
Tuned down to Spanish G - still OK.
Tuned to Vestapol D - still OK.
Tuned back up to Spanish A - still OK.
So I've now got this wee mic. stuck over the coverplate holes (in the 5 o'clock position) with a bit of electricians tape and plugged into a Micro Cube.
Interesting.... must be the frequencies, harmonics and the overtones which cause problems with the bigger guitars, I guess?
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 10, 2020 9:36:04 GMT
PD, I used to have a Tandy Realistic PZM mic inside my 1133. I took the mic off the back plate and stuck it to the inside of the back coverplate. I did many gigs back in the 1980s with that setup. PZMs were wonderful and became industry standards for all types of recording. They used to use them at BBC Maida Vale for live sessions, and everyone I knew had a few PZMs in their home recording kit. The great thing was that they were really cheap, so you could easily have a few. I recorded much of my stuff on the old cassette Portastudio with PZMs.  It is much easier to get a good plugged in sound with a solid guitar than with any type of acoustic, that was something that the pioneers of electric guitars discovered back in the 30s Lapel mics can be really effective. My lap steel tuition DVD was recorded with one Lavalier lapel mic. It got a great sound for both the voice and the guitar. We tried all kinds of mics and positions, but nothing touched the Lavalier pinned on my shirt. Shine On Michael |
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 10, 2020 10:25:19 GMT
Thanks MM, solid guitar - that makes sense.
I'll now try the mic. pinned to my shirt with the big beasties.
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 10, 2020 10:55:38 GMT
Thanks MM, solid guitar - that makes sense. Ill now try the mic. pinned to my shirt with the big beasties. PD, the reason it worked so well on my DVD was because I was playing lap guitar, so the sound was projecting straight up at the mic. Shine On Michael |
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Post by bonzo on Apr 10, 2020 11:26:11 GMT
Hi PD. When you talk about the 'big beasties' I hope you're referring to guitars and not what's under your shirt! Lol!
Best wishes and good health to you all, John
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Post by bonzo on Apr 10, 2020 11:27:36 GMT
Sorry Michael, couldn't resist!
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Post by Stevie on Apr 10, 2020 12:08:52 GMT
I have a DPA 4000 series lavalier mic. mounted on the bass side inside on the back of the cover plate. It works a treat but needs a little eq, however, as MM says you need to go for a "frown" anyway. I first had it on some thick rubber covered flexible gardening wire wrapped around and around the neck stick like a snake, (ie; beneath the cone) but I soon discovered what most folks already knew which is that internal microphones are too boomy. I moved it to the treble side under the cover plate to address that but the bass went away completely, so I moved it to the bass side inside the cover plate and it seems to work reasonably well there. The coaxial goes through a grommet in the cone well side wall and on to the strap peg socket via the preamp (or whatever it is.) Power comes from phantom via the stereo socket. Yes there's no block at the end of the neck stick. Ten years now and doing just fine thank you. I think that mic is nearly as much to buy as the MMB, but it was given to me. Happy days!
e&oe ...
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