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Post by jono1uk on Mar 15, 2020 20:32:45 GMT
trying an RJ turnaround . "pinching the D and high e strings only progressing down from the 5th to the 2nd fret ( Me And The Devil Blues)
using my thumb and 1st first finger works great until a put my finger picks on .i then keep catching the unwanted open strings ( mainly the B string)
and advice please!
Jon
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Post by lonelyjelly on Mar 15, 2020 21:15:32 GMT
I know it’s a boring answer but you’ve just got to wait it out and keep trying and eventually it’ll click. Or you could just not bother with the picks. I guess that depends if you want the extra bite and volume they offer.
Keep at it mate...put a film on to watch and whilst watching said film just sit with the guitar on your lap and keep practicing the right hand whilst muting the strings with your left hand...this is what I did with practicing alternating thumb bass, and claw hammer banjo. It was especially important to mute the strings whilst learning the latter!!!
Ta ta
Lew
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Post by jono1uk on Mar 15, 2020 21:23:02 GMT
mmm still need help with technique ..am i using the correct fingers? so i need to dampen and if so how?
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Post by snakehips on Mar 15, 2020 23:08:16 GMT
Hi there !
You only gave it a maximum of 2hrs !you need to work at it longer than that.
Might get the next couple of months to practise anyway !
Punky on the 1st & 2nd string. Pluck both strings together with 1st finger(pick)
Descending notes with individual fingers - 3rd, 2nd, 1st fingers - with thumb(pick)
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Post by jono1uk on Mar 16, 2020 12:09:11 GMT
cheers Rich .."Punky on the 1st & 2nd string. Pluck both strings together with 1st" bit confused as i am trying NOT to pluck 2nd string ( B string) I only want to pluck high E and D together.
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 16, 2020 12:59:24 GMT
Two hours.... it takes years to get some of this stuff right.
It is important to remember when you say something like... oh I just can't get that Robert Johnson lick, or that Willie McTell rhythm, that you are trying to play like the greatest guitarists that have ever walked on this planet. So don't expect it to be easy.
Learning to play music is a lifetime's journey and it is never complete. I am still developing and improving things that I have played all my life. Forty-plus years playing professionally and recognised by some as a master of my craft, but when I am at home on my own playing, I am still the student I was when I started, still trying to get it right.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by lonelyjelly on Mar 16, 2020 14:21:09 GMT
Who said anything about two hours? The film comment...? If so I meant repeat this process, as in practice the right hand part whilst doing something else. On many occasions till it feels natural. Hope that makes sense.
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Post by jono1uk on Mar 16, 2020 15:06:50 GMT
dunno where the 2 hours has come from.. been trying longer then that .. i have got the technique perfect without finger picks
it just goes to rats**t with the picks on!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 17:18:42 GMT
Peter Piper persevered with picking practice.
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Post by blueshome on Mar 16, 2020 17:23:09 GMT
Picks shouldn’t make a difference, I play almost exclusively with picks, you just learn to keep them where you want them. Don’t understand why you have this issue. Can you post a video?
Do you have the same trouble capped up? Many RJ songs are played above standard tuning on the original recordings (although this one is in standard.)
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Post by jono1uk on Mar 16, 2020 18:05:55 GMT
i dont the video is necessary .. if i pick the high with my finger fine ..if i use a finger pick .i catch the B string as well ..cappo is irrelevant to this particular issue.... perhaps more practice is needed
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 16, 2020 18:32:18 GMT
More practice MORE practice MORE PRACTICE! There is no substitution for it, you have to play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play......
Most days I play for a few hours. If I don't play every day, well almost every day, my dexterity and my musicality suffer. And the more I play, the better and easier it gets.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by coach on Mar 16, 2020 19:51:33 GMT
Just a bit of info which may help, something which works for a lot of people (especially me) based on science of athletic muscle memory and neuromuscular training theory.
1. REST.
Practice your heart out and your fingers raw, for sure. But however well it's going or not going, take a long break (overnight or a day or two) and do something different.
2. Variation: If you play, use a different guitar and play something different.
Once you've rested, then go back to the RJ lick, after a few tries is it easier? it may well be.
What works for an athlete who is using their neuromuscular systems to make the body move in a very specific way (fast, high, accurate etc) works for a guitarist, we are all effectively trying to train our body parts to do something they cannot just do automatically.
I find when my slide playing is on point, my picking is rough and vice-versa. It's a constant lesson, after 30 years I am still barely getting away with it but there comes a point where you'll be playing things you never thought you'd be able to do, and its all from practice.
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Post by jono1uk on Mar 16, 2020 20:33:42 GMT
Thanks Coach.. very interesting .. i have always noticed that if i play something that i haven't tried for some time ..it appears easier..
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Post by coach on Mar 16, 2020 20:36:56 GMT
It' worth noting that if you practice so hard that you are continually playing it wrong, then you should definitely stop for a day as you'll risk training yourself to get it wrong all the time. That's why practicing can sometimes seem fruitless and frustrating.
Slowing it down and breaking it into segments can also help.
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