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Post by richclough on Feb 17, 2020 14:31:49 GMT
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Post by snakehips on Feb 17, 2020 15:03:56 GMT
Hi there !
When a seller doesn't seem to know what they've got, I tend to get a bit suspicious.
Contacting them and asking for a new picture, showing eg. the neck angle (something they don't already have a pic of) to see if they are able to or bothered to take a new picture. If not able to, then they perhaps only have PHOTOS of a Tricone, copied from a previous online sale, in which case strongly suspect a scam. If not willing to, then wonder if this is the sort of person to do business with.
You could ask if you can come and see the guitar in person - and wait for their reaction to this. If not keen, then again fear a scam.
Hopefully though, this is a genuine guitar with a genuine seller.
That's a good starting price !
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Post by pete1951 on Feb 17, 2020 17:41:38 GMT
The seller seems to sell all sorts of stuff, but an extra photo would help confirm that they have the guitar. Pete
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Post by leeophonic on Feb 17, 2020 17:51:03 GMT
Looking at the existing feedback and other items currently for sale with the guitar it looks legit if ill informed, ask a few questions and ian from DB can nip over and steal the bargain!! For those that have these metal tricones from Steve Evans they hold them close and rarely are let go.
Lee
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Post by Andymccann on Feb 19, 2020 7:51:59 GMT
I exchanged a couple of messages with the guy. Seems very legit. He copied the description partly from a previous sale as his knowledge is limited and now he’s updated the title . The guitar photographed is what he has. The serial is 071 stamped where the strap pin is.
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Post by calvoi on Feb 19, 2020 11:20:19 GMT
Is anybody planning on bidding?
EDIT: for context - I was going to propose a truce if anyone from the forum was going to bid.
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Post by Andymccann on Feb 19, 2020 11:28:03 GMT
I went over it last night but decided it’s not for me.
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Post by bonzo on Feb 20, 2020 12:55:21 GMT
Hi everyone, am I correct in understanding that this guitar is metal bodied (the reference to tarnish and photos seem to indicate it is). Would this make it more or less desirable/valuable / better sounding than the later carbon fibre models? Just curious !!
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by snakehips on Feb 20, 2020 13:51:38 GMT
Hi there !
More desirable/valuable, partly on the almost vintage, and rare side of things. Also, it looks like it's in stellar condition. Don't think you can go that far wrong with it !
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Post by leeophonic on Feb 20, 2020 17:33:04 GMT
Bonzo, the early metal Beltonas are what NRP aspired to be, they never got there....
Lee
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Post by Michael Messer on Feb 20, 2020 19:08:39 GMT
Bonzo, the early metal Beltonas are what NRP aspired to be, they never got there.... Lee Lee, what makes you say that? I have never heard NRP, Beltona, or anyone ever say that. FYI... The first brass bodied tricone built since the original National company ceased to exist, that NRP and everyone else saw at that time, was built in England by Alan Timmins (the body) and Ralph Bown (the neck). The project was overseen and guided by Mark Makin. If anyone aspired to copying anything, it was that instrument. In 1989 that tricone was shown to Bob Brozman, who in turn took the idea to Don Young. At the time Don was only building single cone guitars, brass and wood bodied. Also FYI.... The first cast aluminium T bridges for NRP tricones were made by Alan Timmins, which came from discussions between Don Young and Mark Makin. Shine On Michael
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Post by washboardchris on Feb 20, 2020 20:36:19 GMT
TO my Taste I like my Beltona Tricone better than an NRP.I find that the sharp edges on the NRP rest on an old operation scare on my arm and seem to be more uncomfortable on my leg.I find that mine is a bit sweeter and a little less strident.
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Post by leeophonic on Feb 20, 2020 22:47:00 GMT
Michael I was not confusing the evolutionary timelines of the re-issue Tricones it is fit and finish and overall feel, NRP are great guitars no question, but when Voldermort was asked which was the best National after trying them at Slide and Pickett he said the Beltona, The Bill Johnson Metal work and plating is 1st class,top luthery by Steve Evans who was not using water based finishes on the mahogany necks the smoother edges on the metal work, Beltona stamped into the cones, a lot came with Calton cases, the package at the time was superior, then there is pearloid on the headstock, knockout blow game over.
Just my opinion of course.
Lee
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Post by richclough on Feb 20, 2020 23:18:21 GMT
Hi everyone, am I correct in understanding that this guitar is metal bodied (the reference to tarnish and photos seem to indicate it is). Would this make it more or less desirable/valuable / better sounding than the later carbon fibre models? Just curious !! Best wishes to you all, John Beltona (Steve Evans) make fibreglass singlecone resonators. My 1998 NRP Style 1 bought off eBay in 2018 had its cones replaced and was setup by Steve. Stunning instrument now. I’m still shocked by it. Cheers, Rich
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Post by Michael Messer on Feb 21, 2020 8:55:43 GMT
Lee, My comment was not based on the quality of the instruments in any way. What I was doing was dismissing that fact that "the early metal Beltonas are what NRP aspired to be", which was just not the case. That is all. And to do that clearly, I surrounded it with some facts.
This forum is where a lot of people come (around 600 each day) to read "facts" about resonator guitars, how to play them, the history of National and other resonator instruments, slide guitar etc, and therefore it is very important that facts are correct and clear.
Shine On Michael
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