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Post by deadlyernest on Oct 16, 2017 20:12:15 GMT
Just seen a Busker Deco tricone on eBay, it says Michael Messer endorsed which is a little confusing.
What does it mean and does anyone know if this is any good?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 21:33:20 GMT
The chap who used to set up MMs guitars (Robin) also ran Busker. Whether the seller has impinged on copyright / used names etc without permission, I don't know. But the guitar would have been great when new, and may well still be. TT
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Post by Michael Messer on Oct 16, 2017 23:15:36 GMT
The item is listed as a Michael Messer Busker Tricone.
There is no such thing!
This was not originally sold as an MM Busker Tricone. The seller is using my name to sell a guitar that has nothing to do with me at all.
There is not an MM Tricone of any kind in the MM range!
Shine On Michael
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Post by deadlyernest on Oct 21, 2017 9:53:42 GMT
Same guitar also for sale on Gumtree, although the listing is a few weeks older.
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Post by Michael Messer on Oct 21, 2017 10:43:34 GMT
Thanks deadlyernest, I saw that too.
The Busker is a good guitar, I have no problem with that at all. It is not endorsed by me, or do I have any connection whatsoever with its design.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Stevie on Oct 21, 2017 12:53:39 GMT
Why not instigate a complaint under eBay's VeRo rules? Give the blood suckers something to do for their money printing licence scam...
e&oe...
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Post by Michael Messer on Oct 22, 2017 8:49:24 GMT
Hopefully anyone interested in buying it will do a search and find this thread. As I said, a Busker Tricone is a good guitar, but it is nothing to do with me. Even when Busker Guitars was my distributor, I had nothing to do with the design of their guitars.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:03:10 GMT
Thanks deadlyernest, I saw that too. The Busker is a good guitar, I have no problem with that at all. It is not endorsed by me, or do I have any connection whatsoever with its design. Shine On Michael I suppose it could be argued that by virtue of the first sentence of the above statement you have endorsed the guitar Michael!
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Post by bonzo on Oct 23, 2017 21:35:58 GMT
I don't think it sold. The auction has finished with no bids. Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by Michael Messer on Oct 23, 2017 22:49:36 GMT
Thanks deadlyernest, I saw that too. The Busker is a good guitar, I have no problem with that at all. It is not endorsed by me, or do I have any connection whatsoever with its design. Shine On Michael I suppose it could be argued that by virtue of the first sentence of the above statement you have endorsed the guitar Michael! Graeme, I get what you are saying, but the seller is not wording it as "endorsed by...", the guitar is listed as a Michael Messer Busker Tricone, which it is not. There is no such instrument. Shine On Michael.
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Post by jono1uk on Oct 24, 2017 8:28:02 GMT
He has relisted it with the same title!!! Michael you really should report him ....
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Post by creolian on Oct 24, 2017 17:29:41 GMT
I suppose it could be argued that by virtue of the first sentence of the above statement you have endorsed the guitar Michael! Graeme, I get what you are saying, but the seller is not wording it as "endorsed by...", the guitar is listed as a Michael Messer Busker Tricone, which it is not. There is no such instrument. Shine On Michael. A heck of a back handed compliment to use your name to add value in his description. No big surprise to find something mis represented on flea bay... I'd be tempted to buy it and then ask for a price adjustment. I'd think about 500gbp would be appropriate for a MM endorsement after the fact Yep, I'm frustrated for you Michael. Not really much you can do in this world gone mad...other than hope his Karma runs over his Dogma. All Best jeff
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Post by bonzo on Oct 24, 2017 17:59:39 GMT
Hi guys, I also believe Michael should report the guy. The ad does say Michael Messer Busker tricone. From what I've read on this forum over a period of time, one of the reasons Michael doesn't have a tricone in his range of guitars is that he hasn't found one that is good enough! Michael will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure. But us coneheads know that we have asked about a tricone in the range more than once! Having said all that l don't want to be a hypocrite so I'll let you all know I have made enquiries regarding this guitar. I've been looking for a Busker tricone for awhile and this one with it's Highlander might fit the bill!
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by Michael Messer on Oct 25, 2017 8:34:06 GMT
Hi everyone,
Just to clarify my position on this; the seller and eBay have been contacted more than once, but neither appear to care. Re-listing it in a new auction as an MM Busker is proof of that. I wish them well and in fact when contacted yesterday by someone that is interested in it, I said it was a good deal.
John, the reason that I do not have a Tricone in the MM range is not only because I haven't found one, it is because using manufacturers in China I cannot make one to sound anything like an original National Tricone. If I cannot achieve that, I don't see the point.
The Busker and one or two other Shanghai-built Tricones are by far the best being built at this price, but they do not sound or play like real 1920s & 30s Tricones. They are funky & cool metallic sounding resonator guitars that are perfectly okay and play well, but that is nothing like the sound of a real Tricone. A Tricone should be the sweetest & richest sounding instrument for playing slide that you have ever heard. That is the reason they were built. Tricones were designed to be square-neck Hawaiian guitars and as a rule these are the best. They are strange instruments and only a few of the original round-neck ones are great instruments, most are just okay.
I do not believe that a Tricone can be built on a low budget, or that they can be built with steel bodies, which some manufacturers, including the leading brand in the world, are doing. They have to be German silver or brass and the construction has to be right.
Maybe I am too fussy, but I am not interested in selling guitars with my name on the headstock just for the sake of making money. That was never my intention and I will never go down that route.
I hope I haven't offended anyone. That is not my intention, but I was asked a question that needed answering.
Shine On Michael.
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Post by bonzo on Oct 25, 2017 9:14:53 GMT
Well said Michael!
I don't see how anyone could be offended by your well made point of view. Any of us that have had dealings with you understand you only sell the guitars you yourself believe are the best available in their price range. That's the reason I and many others have no hesitation in recommending them to anyone interested in resonators! Best wishes to you all, John
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