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Post by preacherman on Sept 15, 2017 19:26:57 GMT
Hey, Help me out here, I just bought this with a bit of haggling as after getting photos I found out it has a cone ('Ere Fred, E Don't wanna Haggle" .........The Life of Brian) www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE-VINTAGE-1930-40s-CYCLOP-RESONATOR-DOBRO-BLUES-BOX-MADE-IN-USA/232469929989 Same guitar on Reverb.com............... It is sold to me. I does have a cone, and a neck stick and some A frame style bracing to the back minus the crossbrace..... I don't have the guitar yet so cant say much about it. I suspect the logo is from some sort of autocycle or Cyclemaster type device, tuners look German made. Judging by the Coverplate I'm fairly confident I haven't bought a converted Fauxbro What do you guy's think, have I just bought a Shig? (ie Sheep and Pig crossed see Mangalicza)
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Post by pascal on Sept 15, 2017 19:44:23 GMT
Doesn't look as a "cyclop" Dobro to me, sorry but looks like a fake!!!!!! linkLooks all chinese made this year!
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Post by preacherman on Sept 15, 2017 19:59:34 GMT
Hey I know what you mean, It's Not a Dobro Cyclops a "Cyclop" the Wheel with wings is, in the U.K associated with a 2 stroke rear wheel for a bicycle or a less than 98cc motorcycle.
I have been slowly collecting False resonator guitars for a few years now (I'll do a thread on them one day) and was still intrigued. A few Home made ones have turned up, though this coverplate is intriguing.
Inside is a single cone and biscuit.... no spider...
I'll take pics for y'all when it gets here.
I want to add.. I did haggle
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 22:07:29 GMT
You asked for opinions... even if you paid $200, you paid too much... send message to ebay to request refund and cancel the transaction. It is a fraudulent listing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 7:42:22 GMT
Steady on. There are things that look good and bad about this. Obviously it's not a 'cyclops', the buyer seems to know this. Whether its fraudulent depends on if it is 1930/40s and made in USA. I think the best thing to do before asking for a refund is to see what Mark Makin or the real experts think - it might still be something of value. TT
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Post by Michael Messer on Sept 16, 2017 9:18:35 GMT
Hello Preacherman
I am not sure what to say to you about this. Rather than just shout "Rip off!", I will try and assess it for you. It is not easy to do a proper assessment without having it in my hands, but here goes....
It is not any "Rare vintage 1930s/40s Cyclop Resonator Dobro Blues Box" that I know of.
There is no such brand as a "Cyclop" resonator guitar. The only Cyclop I can find on the Internet is a bike company.
It is also not a Cyclops Dobro.
The tailpiece looks like it could have come from a 1930s Canadian Brasher guitar.
The coverplate sort of looks like a Brasher, but not. The look is sort of right, but the bowl-shape pressing is wrong and looks like a modern Far Eastern mould. The hand-strap looks wrong for a Brasher, well I have never seen one.
The neck, frets and fretboard look like they came from the 1930s. The headstock shape and the dot markers are right for that period and so is the amount of wear on the fretboard and frets.
The body is not like anything I have seen, apart from poor copies. It looks Far Eastern, or more likely a home-build.
According to the eBay page, it sold for EUR €849.00 / GBP £747.00 / USD $1014.00. Please tell me you didn't pay this much for it.
There is not much more I can say. I may be wrong, but I don't think I am far from the truth about it.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 10:08:52 GMT
As the seller has 100% feedback on over 1200 transactions I suspect the inaccurate (to say the least) description of the guitar is more down to sloppy research than any serious attempt to defraud. (Your Honour) IMHO the choice is to decide whether it's worthy of inclusion in your false resonator collection or if a refund is called for.
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Post by bonzo on Sept 16, 2017 11:17:28 GMT
Hi Preacherman, As my family will attest I too am in the habit of collecting 'interesting' things. (I know I'm in good company on this forum!) But even I have been known to say 'is it that interesting?' If it's no money at all no problem, have a punt. If you don't get it you'll just have a few weeks of longing and wondering if you did the right thing, but it will eventually pass! Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by bryanbradfield on Sept 16, 2017 16:08:45 GMT
It's not a Brasher. One clue is that Brashers did not have 14 fret necks as far as I know. The tuning keys look modern/Asian to me. The cover-plate array looks like a well modified metal bowl, plated after cutting. The body finish appears a bit amateurish. On the whole, it has to be in hand to really judge it. It is definitely unique.
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Post by Michael Messer on Sept 16, 2017 16:13:56 GMT
Bryan, Just to clarify....
I didn't say it was a Brasher. I said the tailpiece looks like it could have from a Brasher and that the coverplate is a sort of Brasher copy-ish thing. I said the neck looks like it is from the period, not that it is a Brasher neck.
Shine On Michael
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Post by linkous on Sept 16, 2017 16:22:01 GMT
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Post by bryanbradfield on Sept 16, 2017 16:23:10 GMT
Michael, I was confirming your earlier opinions, and included some opinions of my own.
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Post by Michael Messer on Sept 16, 2017 19:02:55 GMT
Looking at the earlier auction photos have jogged my memory, but not quite enough. I may have dug myself into a hole earlier, because I am now thinking I have seen this before and it may well be a 30s guitar. It was not and should not be called a Cylclop. I am going to rack my brains and also go through some old backup drives.
I think it's possible to have seen too many of something and might have done that with guitars!
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 20:41:10 GMT
The plot thickens. I wonder if the four leaf clover motif has any significance? I think whoever made this was just having some fun and whether by accident or design has duped both buyers and sellers. Interesting though that the previous ebay sale pointed out by linkous realised 225 euros. Ever had that sinking feeling preacherman? You have 30 days etc.
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Post by slide496 on Sept 16, 2017 22:00:56 GMT
The neck checks out for me with the thin frets and wood nut but the logo is a wheel with wings so I am leaning toward an instrument cut from a flat top with f-holes, which were made late thirties by several companies, including harmony - small manufacturer or an individual who also perhaps rode that brand of bike or perhaps sold or made them - maybe had the logo on hand. It may be rare, it may be from the 30's and have a some authentic rosewood but I think it should be returned as its being sold as a collectable and I think its put together from here and there and the cyclop logo definitely was degraded by some kind of cleaning process from the logo of the linkous listing - if that's the same guitar..
Harriet
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