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Post by mitchfit on Mar 13, 2023 3:51:01 GMT
Oscar, if there aren't 6 each separate rollers, wouldn't the tuned string still have to scrape across the roller? "The Gauge of string also depends on the scale". the 1133 has a 22" scale. what diameter would you advise? try a Dunlop 277. was called the leo kotke model, [IIRC}. bought mine in early '80's or late 70's. not sure if it was a numbered model back then: www.amazon.com/Dunlop-Concave-Brass-Thickness-Medium/dp/B000EEHD20"They would have to make a version w/ an Angled Headstock placed at a 90 Degree angle." you are getting my point. two pieces of flat bar welded at a 90 would be required for desired strength. would be easy to change out, 1133 neck is on a pivot mount. two screws where neck joins body adjust angle. jakewildwood.blogspot.com/2018/03/1956-national-1133-student-soldibody.htmlwonder if music wire would hold up to being bent again after it had formed to a 90 degree set. mitchfit
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Post by pete1951 on Mar 13, 2023 7:41:00 GMT
People seem to use guitars with a Fender Style headstock without any issues of sustain or tone difference with light strings ( I have played a few acoustic guitars with them, didn’t notice any problems) . The straight string pull also keeps better in tune. Have I missed something?? Pete
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 13:44:09 GMT
People seem to use guitars with a Fender Style headstock without any issues of sustain or tone difference with light strings ( I have played a few acoustic guitars with them, didn’t notice any problems) . The straight string pull also keeps better in tune. Have I missed something?? Pete Locking tuners help w/ keeping the strings in tune & actually w/ Fender style headstocks the tuner for the highest string is furthest away so the longer after length might increase it. I actually modified my resonator guitar to have good volume & sustain w/ super light gauge strings (10s, 9s which d'addario just released their EJ23 super lights, & thinner) by flipping the direction of the bridge so that the strings would run underneath the bridge instead of over it, I also drilled holes in the bridge so that all you'd have to do is run the strings through the holes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 13:47:53 GMT
Oscar, if there aren't 6 each separate rollers, wouldn't the tuned string still have to scrape across the roller? "The Gauge of string also depends on the scale". the 1133 has a 22" scale. what diameter would you advise? try a Dunlop 277. was called the leo kotke model, [IIRC}. bought mine in early '80's or late 70's. not sure if it was a numbered model back then: www.amazon.com/Dunlop-Concave-Brass-Thickness-Medium/dp/B000EEHD20"They would have to make a version w/ an Angled Headstock placed at a 90 Degree angle." you are getting my point. two pieces of flat bar welded at a 90 would be required for desired strength. would be easy to change out, 1133 neck is on a pivot mount. two screws where neck joins body adjust angle. jakewildwood.blogspot.com/2018/03/1956-national-1133-student-soldibody.htmlwonder if music wire would hold up to being bent again after it had formed to a 90 degree set. mitchfit Actually this particular nut has 6 separate rollers for each string so that the strings would simply turn the wheels when you tune.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 14:48:36 GMT
Also the core shape determines tension. Round Core strings have a lower tension, the Hex Core strings have a higher tension but better tuning stability. There's another core that has the tuning stability of the hex core & flexibility of the round core, they're made by mapes strings & are the "Octagonal Core strings".
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 22, 2023 16:15:34 GMT
Nothing new there. Newtone Strings and I have been marketing strings that tune to pitch at lower tension than standard strings for 30 years. In fact they were doing it before I started working with them. All MM strings, in fact all round core strings tune to pitch at lower tension than hexagonal core strings of the same gauge core. We pushed this to the limit when we designed the Aloha Strings for fragile Weissenborn guitars, making it safe to tune to high bass G (GBDGBD) on a fragile instrument. There are one or two other makers doing this too, so it is really nothing new at all.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 15:45:10 GMT
Nothing new there. Newtone Strings and I have been marketing strings that tune to pitch at lower tension than standard strings for 30 years. In fact they were doing it before I started working with them. All MM strings, in fact all round core strings tune to pitch at lower tension than hexagonal core strings of the same gauge core. We pushed this to the limit when we designed the Aloha Strings for fragile Weissenborn guitars, making it safe to tune to high bass G (GBDGBD) on a fragile instrument. There are one or two other makers doing this too, so it is really nothing new at all. Shine On Michael I have 7 gauge strings on the Weissenborn & I have it tuned up a Perfect Fourth from High Bass G Tuning so it's High Bass C Alto Tuning (CEGCEG) like the English Guittar. Octave4Plus makes special strings that allow for very high tunings (as high as A4, C5 etc.) on longer scale lengths under low tension by using a special alloy (basically a Steel Equivalent of Nylgut). I worked around the volume issue of those super thing strings by replacing the Original Pickups w/ Railhammer pickups which are overwound to compensate for the reduced volume.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 15:48:05 GMT
There's a saying on the Santa Cruz string packages which is "gauge means nothing, tension means everything". They focus more on the tension (very akin to String sets for Classical Guitars & bowed stringed instruments) so that it feels & sounds more even.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 14:39:54 GMT
I experimented w/ using 7-38 Gauge strings on my NRP Guitar (It's a Gold Tone Copy) so I can play it like a Standard Guitar in E Standard (as well as Eb Standard), just to get a different & new sound. I got a good volume out of them by stringing them "backwards" underneath the tailpiece lip (instead of over it) which increases the break angle over the bridge, plus I could add some string muting foam underneath the tailpiece lip for a cleaner sound. The cone won't collapse because I've added a sound post (kind of like a Bowed stringed instrument) to reinforce it.
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Post by bonzo on Apr 7, 2023 15:26:20 GMT
OMG.
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 7, 2023 18:05:38 GMT
I experimented w/ using 7-38 Gauge strings on my NRP Guitar (It's a Gold Tone Copy) so I can play it like a Standard Guitar in E Standard (as well as Eb Standard), just to get a different & new sound. I got a good volume out of them by stringing them "backwards" underneath the tailpiece lip (instead of over it) which increases the break angle over the bridge, plus I could add some string muting foam underneath the tailpiece lip for a cleaner sound. The cone won't collapse because I've added a sound post (kind of like a Bowed stringed instrument) to reinforce it. Oscar, NRP is a brand of guitar "National Reso-Phonic Guitars". You have a Gold Tone resonator guitar, which model is it? I really don't think you needed to put a post under the cone because while it will strengthen it, it will also kill the tone. However, I think I am right in saying that Gold Tone Paul Beard guitars have cones without spirals. If this is the case, then your cone is very strong and also may not be as resonant as a cone with spirals. I have posted a photo of a cone with spirals for you. Cones with spirals are better sounding than cones without spirals. This is a fact. 7-38 strings are extremely light gauge and will struggle to make a resonator guitar sing. But....if you are getting what you want from it, then that is what counts. Muting the strings with foam behind the bridge saddle will take out many of the lovely overtones that your guitar can produce, but...as I said, if you are getting what you want.... Shine On Michael
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 7, 2023 19:44:44 GMT
I experimented w/ using 7-38 Gauge strings on my NRP Guitar (It's a Gold Tone Copy) so I can play it like a Standard Guitar in E Standard (as well as Eb Standard), just to get a different & new sound. I got a good volume out of them by stringing them "backwards" underneath the tailpiece lip (instead of over it) which increases the break angle over the bridge, plus I could add some string muting foam underneath the tailpiece lip for a cleaner sound. The cone won't collapse because I've added a sound post (kind of like a Bowed stringed instrument) to reinforce it. bravo sierra. mitchfit
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Post by pete1951 on Apr 8, 2023 9:07:21 GMT
It might be interesting to hear some slide on these instruments with unusually light strings. I do use lighter strings than most slide players but think the extra light strings mentioned ( for slide in particular) will sound thin acoustically and be less fun electrically. Pete
I remember many years ago I strung my electric with 008, 011, 015 , 018(plain) 028(w) 038(w) It was fun to have a bendable 4th but I soon went back to heavier strings ( I now mostly use 011-048)
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 24, 2023 19:27:28 GMT
Oscar, I should have learnt by now not to question or dispute your comments, and I know I am going to regret this, but...... 😎🌈
A....what is a cone that is voiced for light strings, and... B...there is no such thing. I think you may have been had on this one.
Shine on Michael
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Post by gaucho on Apr 28, 2023 12:11:35 GMT
I Know I'm late to the game on this one... I have 10+ resonator guitars. Most are vintange Nationals tho I also have a few Dobros, NRPs and Republics. I Love 11-48s on all of them! They have done so much for my tone and my playing. I like Slinkys (purple pack) because they are cheap, easy to find and have an unnwound 3rd. I know that they are supposedly for electric guitars, but they work hgreat on all of mine too. I play finger style and (mostly) slide, inn open G and even tuned down to key of F and I never have a problem with tension even to my actions are fairly low. This video is one of my Nationals with these strings...
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