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Post by pascal on Mar 28, 2014 21:50:12 GMT
For me the only interesting guitar is the "extra holes tail piece one" 1926 ? from the earlier pics of Sol Ho'opi'i (see my previous post), "Gorgia" could be interesting ... But the 1st bench had a wooden sound well (very quiet guitars, but nice), the second a german silver sound well (very/too much sustaining guitars for my taste), third (and the most interesting acoustically )have a steel sound well, I only speak only about the squarenecks (hawaiian) NOT the spanish (round necks) and this concerns only my perspective as a concerned musician.
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Post by timmech on Aug 20, 2015 0:32:24 GMT
This National is back on eBay. Being the owner of Sol's Rickenbacher B-6, I've been trying to figure this one out. I think Michael has it correct. No proof, no go. A couple of things don't make sense in the "sales pitch". If this was a gift from National to Sol, why so late in their relationship? Also, considering the engraving skills at National, why would they gift Sol a style 1? They give him 2 tricones in 1927, one having his name engraved on the side, as the company is catching it's stride then this in 1930? Beauchamp was already headed to Ro-Pat-In "fame" and this gift seems improbable. I would love someone to bring proof. I would love Sol's guitars to surface. This one just doesn't have the provenance, especially at $20 000.
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 20, 2015 8:07:07 GMT
Hi Timmech,
This one is going to be doing the rounds for a long time. We haven't seen the last of it yet!
There is no proof, everything we know about this guitar is based on a bit of hearsay that may have even been exaggerated along the way. Hearsay is not provenance.
We have all been hoping to turn up Sol's Tricones for the past thirty years or so, but so far nothing has turned up.
I know of so many hopeful dealers and owners of National guitars that put two and two together and make five. They all think they have Sol's Tricone, Blind Boy Fuller's Duolian, etc... it's all just wishful thinking.
I would love to see some photos of the B-6
Shine On Michael
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Post by timmech on Aug 20, 2015 19:07:03 GMT
Hi Michael Here is a shot of Sol's B-6 with the case and everything that came in the case. A great story on Sol's steel can be found in Feb.2012 issue of Vintage Guitar magazine. file:///Users/mrtmech/Desktop/IMG_1643.jpg Attachments:
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 20, 2015 20:40:35 GMT
Thanks Timmech, that is beautiful!
Shine On Michael
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Post by timmech on Aug 20, 2015 21:04:19 GMT
It sounds fantastic and the feeling of playing it, especially knowing that Sol made music with it, is extraordinary. I'd like to bring it to a Steel Guitar Convention or two but I just haven't had the time to swing that. Time will tell. Oh and there is plenty of proof that Sol played this one:
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 21, 2015 9:51:52 GMT
Timmech, I have many recordings that were made with that guitar. As well as the released stuff, I have the 'Sol Hoopii, from the private collection of Bud Tutmarc' set of cassettes, which contains lots of electric steel, much of which must have been played on the Rickenbacher. The problem I have with instruments like this, is that for me they are too precious to be played and yet as musical instruments, they should be played. It's a beautiful thing. Shine On Michael
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Post by leeophonic on Aug 21, 2015 14:03:43 GMT
Very nice to have, as Michael said it needs to be played, do you use it and if so what choice of amp???
Lee
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 21, 2015 19:12:04 GMT
No, what I meant was ...'is this a musical instrument that should be played, or is it a piece of history that should not be touched?' ....and that for me is a dilemma when dealing with instruments that had such important owners, and that were probably acquired directly from the deceased's estate. Apart from Sol Hoopii and Bud Tutmarc, it is highly likely that nobody else had played that guitar prior to Tim owning it.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 6:25:53 GMT
No, what I meant was ...'is this a musical instrument that should be played, or is it a piece of history that should not be touched?' Shine On Michael It depends on who's playing it, and the guitar. For example (even tho I quite like the smiths), Johnny Marr should not have been allowed to abuse RGs strat, and I'm a bit iffy about Bonamassa on it too. But a friend of mine bought this RG telecaster a few years back - and I had a play on it, which is OK IMO TT
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 22, 2015 7:20:56 GMT
TT, I am with you on that one. I find the celebrity status of Rory's Strat to be in very poor taste. In my opinion, while it is a musical instrument, it is also an important piece of history and I think it should have been left untouched since Rory played it. I know that people will say ....'but it's a musical instrument and it should be played' ....which brings me back to my original comment that it is a dilemma.
Musical instruments become very much a part of their owner. It's a personal thing, but I am not 100% comfortable playing anyone else's musical instrument, or them playing mine. If it is one of their many guitars, that doesn't worry me, but if it is 'their' guitar, then I don't feel comfortable about it. It just doesn't feel right.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Aug 22, 2015 7:22:58 GMT
Deuce I know where you're coming from. I was allowed to play a few chords on Peter Greens LP in 1967 before that other bl88dy Irishman wrecked it.
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Post by maui_chimes on Jan 14, 2016 4:42:18 GMT
Even if it was Sol's guitar, I can't imagine it would be worth that much more money. How many people today even know who he was?
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Post by Michael Messer on Jan 14, 2016 8:46:38 GMT
If one of the National Tricones that Sol Hoopii was photographed with turned up today, it would sell for a very high figure. Sol's B6 Rickenbacker is very nice, but it is not one of his Tricones.
Shine On Michael
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Post by pascal on Jan 20, 2016 14:11:58 GMT
Timmech, Many thanks for the picture I haven't seen before. As a Hoopii's fervent player I am quiet interested, and as a Rickenbacker 39' silver hawaiian owner (chromed one) too, I just wonder is Sol who put duck tape on the fretboard ? I know these guitars (and mostly mine with lights on stage) can't be readable... I think to do the same on mine. ... And the Sol Ho'opi'i's house: 1140 Echo park av. Los Angeles... Perhaps the mysterious hidden National tri-cones still in there? Who knows?
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