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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 18:16:26 GMT
Hi All, While tuning my ET the peg broke in two and I doubt a lasting repair could be made. I'm not sure the tuners are original as all the pics of ET's I've seen have white pegs. Does anyone know if the tuners are likely to be original (I don't expect a definite just from a photo)) What replacement tuners would anyone recommend? Ideally I'd want to use the same fitting holes which are 28mm apart at each end and 35mm apart in the centre. Any suggestions gratefully received. Graeme
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Post by zak71 on Jan 19, 2015 18:50:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 19:20:48 GMT
Thanks Zak--didn't spot that--too busy playing the thing!
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Post by Michael Messer on Jan 19, 2015 19:41:55 GMT
Hi Graeme,
I'm with Zak, just replace the tuner buttons.
While they are not original, they have been on there for a long time and if they work okay, just put new buttons on.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 19:48:37 GMT
Thanks Michael. How to you fit a new button? Looking at the exposed post I can't see how it works but I'm in new territory here. Having said that the tuners are a bit sloppy and if not original I'm tempted to go for a set of Golden Eras from stew mac. Give the old dog a treat as it were.
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Post by zak71 on Jan 19, 2015 20:02:44 GMT
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Post by pete1951 on Jan 19, 2015 20:07:31 GMT
Most `modern` buttons are moulded plastic, if the pre-made hole is a snug fit then a hard setting glue could be used. They can also be put on with heat. The bare shaft (remove them first ) is heated with a mini-blowlamp (a lighter can be used, but it is slow ) You need to heat it so it is just above the melting point of the plastic, then quickly push it on, making sure its square. PT
Just read Zaks post (above), the soldering iron looks a better way
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 20:39:36 GMT
Thanks gents but I think I'll go for the stewmac option.
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Post by snakehips on Jan 19, 2015 21:02:14 GMT
Hi Graeme !
I think the Stewmac tuners are great.
Howerver, I recently bought a few sets of their latest set of tuners - the Fleur-de-Lis tuners. Other than being far too shiny new, the actual plates are a very good copy of the best engraved tuners that National used. However, they are not as good as all the other Golden Restoration sets of tuners. I also wonder if they are made in the same factory as the other sets. The fleur-de-lis ones are nickel-plated but the plating looks cheap and I have had bits at the edges flaking off already. The cogs and worms (not sure if I have got the terminology correct - but I mean the screw thingies !) are BOTH nickel-plated - and when you turn the tuner buttons, you can hear/feel them grate against each other - and I wonder if the plating will peel off the actual gear mechanism - then they will be worse !
The original sets of tuners are great though - so get them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 21:49:58 GMT
Thanks for that Snakey--I was going to go for the fleur de lis jobbos but will look at the others. I would be inclined to put a smidgeon of lithium grease on new tuners. I suppose the flaking nickel plating will help 'age' them which would be fine by me if they're going to go on an eighty three year old guitar! I would surmise that the grating is also OK in that it is just the cog and worm finding the right degree of play between each other. But I stand to be corrected!
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Post by Bill Stig on Jan 19, 2015 23:05:51 GMT
I would avoid the "Fleur-de-Lis" tuners. I recently bought a set and the posts weren't strong enough to hold a heavy set of strings. Very cheaply made and I'm sending them back. If you go for the tuner buttons, be aware that Stewmac's perloid tuner nobs will not melt onto the shaft even though it says on their website that they will! They have to be glued on and probably drilled. I have no experience of their other tuner buttons or other restoration tuners so I couldn't comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 23:46:12 GMT
Thanks Bill--I think it's the scallop end relic nickel for me--unless someone says otherwise!
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Post by petej on Jan 20, 2015 9:19:53 GMT
Just notice that these are old type tuners with the gear cog on the top rather than the bottom of the tuning post,i have these on my Duolian and have always wondered if i ever needed to change them can you still buy them,or is it just a matter of using new ones and swapping them over,will all the holes line up petej
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 9:36:53 GMT
They just need to be reversed/flipped to be correct....
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Post by zak71 on Jan 20, 2015 13:19:04 GMT
They just need to be reversed/flipped to be correct.... No. The pitch of the threads goes in the opposite direction. If you flip them you'll now have tuners with the threads oriented in exactly the same way as before, facing in the wrong direction. Turn this photo upside down, and then ask yourself if the threads magically reverse themselves. I have "reverse gear" tuners on my '29 Triolian, '23 Gibson guitar-banjo, and a parlor guitar from the late 1890s or early 1900s, and have had them on numerous other instruments over the years. I don't know of anyone currently making replacements.
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