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Post by rbe on Dec 17, 2014 23:00:03 GMT
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 17, 2014 23:39:51 GMT
Rik, I saw this one a few days ago and thought of you. I am pleased it has gone to the right new owner. It could do with a refinish...  Enjoy...it is beautiful! Shine On Michael |
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Post by zak71 on Dec 18, 2014 1:08:22 GMT
Oooooh that beautiful B-series that ended on Dec 10!
I would have hit the "BIN" within a few hours of it having been listed had I not received a huge and unexpected veterinarian bill the very same day.
I may be in the minority here, but I think the B Triolians were the best looking painted finish that National made.
What's up with the wooden plugs in the heel of the neck?
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Post by rbe on Dec 18, 2014 4:32:53 GMT
Zak, Thanks for not bidding! I agree it is a very cool finish. I am curious what the finish looks like under the fretboard. The neck needs resetting, so I will see soon enough. There is some interesting tapering of the binding as the fretboard goes over the body. I thought someone thinned the fretboard to compensate for the bad neck angle, but it is very possible that the factory did this, since the neck doesn't look like it has ever been removed.
My guess on the plugs in the heal is, they are there to cover screws to fix a loose neckstick. Again suggesting that the neck was not removed to make the repair. Also, every button on the tuners is loose. That has me scratching my head in search of a non-invasive solution. I know heat is a possibility, but I need to think about this.
The front of this guitar is very green. I know that red dye is not colorfast and is the first to fade, but as seen with Duolians, I think the crystal lacquer has a propensity to turn green too.
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Post by zak71 on Dec 18, 2014 6:55:14 GMT
Also, every button on the tuners is loose. That has me scratching my head in search of a non-invasive solution. I know heat is a possibility, but I need to think about this. I've had success with Superglue, though it was intended as a temporary fix until I could change the button. It ended up holding for the past few years and I haven't changed it yet. I noticed the binding 'tapering' over the body in one of the photos and wondered if it was shrinkage or the result of an earlier neck reset. This photo (combined with the wooden plugs) had me thinking it had the neck removed at some point:  The paint on it is stunning and it's great to see so much of it intact, and that's the second B Series Triolian that I have missed on ebay.  Oh well, dogs before guitars. I would really like to find a B Series Tenor. Maybe someday... Congratulations, that guitar is beautiful! I'd love to see some more photos eventually. I'm not exaggerating when I say I think those are the best looking painted Nationals. It's like 'Frosted Duco on Steroids' or something. Absolutely beautiful. |
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Post by rbe on Dec 18, 2014 7:33:06 GMT
When I first saw the photos, I thought for sure that the neck had been removed. But the fret markers over the body look too original and the neck angle is horrible, so if the neck was off, it wasn't to reset it. I am curious to get into it further, but I want to figure out my plan of attack before I start to dismantle it.
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Post by Mark Makin on Dec 18, 2014 10:24:42 GMT
Hi Rik It's interesting that it has the double stamped '0' before the 27B. I notice none of the other B series have the preceding '0' (unless they're below 10 of course)  Best Mark |
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Post by Stevie on Dec 18, 2014 13:17:00 GMT
Riks work is beyond amazing, but no way would I refinish that treasure. I guess MM was being "tongue in cheek" or have I got it all wrong (again!) somewhere?
e&oe
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Post by rbe on Dec 18, 2014 19:39:14 GMT
Mark, I noticed that about the 0. The B Triolians are an interesting bunch. I wonder why so few were made. As far as Duolians go, the frosted duco finish would be around for three or so more years. So it wasn't like the frosted finish was on its way out. Maybe it was a way to make Triolians more like Duolians, which were selling better? Fun to think about. Impossible to know.
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Post by rbe on Jun 12, 2015 19:48:16 GMT
It's been awhile on this one. But I finally got it done. I am going to post more about this over the weekend (I hope) on the B•Fanatic Facebook page. All of the necessary repairs (or I should say, "re-repairs") were the result of the neckstick coming loose under string tension. So the fretboard had to go in order to fix the poor, prior repair work. That was the biggest part of the repair. Next, the plugs in the heal. And then, there was the bizarre use of excessive amounts of JB Weld use to stick it all together.    |
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Post by snakehips on Jun 14, 2015 19:25:09 GMT
And ............. ?? What was the colour of the Duco under the fretboard extension ?? |
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Post by rbe on Jun 14, 2015 21:39:35 GMT
Most of it was pretty much destroyed by a the use of JB Weld. What was there was brown. Kind of a mahogany color. Back in the day, these were brown guitars, with light contrasting crystal flowers. On this guitar, although the flowers look somewhat tan on the back, I don't know that I see any actual color in that part of the finish. Kind of makes me courious.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Jun 15, 2015 13:18:33 GMT
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